What does that matter? Look who we've got in the Oval Office now! People don't care anymore about who is going to lead what was once the greatest country on the planet...it's all a popularity contest now and I bet half of them on election night were wondering what the number was to text message in their choice as if it were American Idol. There really should be an IQ test given prior to entering the voting booth.

Yup. Two of the worse candidates to ever run and pander for high office in 2008 and all we got were slogans of "Hope and Change" and "Maverick."

We really are the "United States of Entertainment."

"Maverick"......LOL! As soon as I read that all I could think of was Palin saying that over, and over, and over again. Ha!

You're right about the 2008 candidates...what a bunch of duds. I think the Republicans were tired of McCain running and decided to let him take it this time just to run him through the system once and for all. Now he can be retired out to pasture where he should have been ten years ago. They knew Obumbler was going to win so what better opportunity to get rid of McCain. Plus they saw the economy falling apart and knew that 2012 would be ripe for the picking when this president doesn't get anything accomplished and is one and done.

[quote=LMITOUT Plus they saw the economy falling apart and knew that 2012 would be ripe for the picking when this president doesn't get anything accomplished and is one and done. [/quote]

maybe..except by who? i think some leaders are going to have to come along and fix the mess that was /is being created and i see no one on the horizon anywhere. maybe a dark horse will come up by then but i don't see it now considering the GOP helped with this mess.

The GOP dug a hole and gave the shovel to BHO and the dems to finish it

The last president who was like this in my lifetime was Carter. I take back my Bush's third term prediction although they still share alot of similarities

Now that nut franken is in. God help us

Hard to say right now. Maybe in three years when we're still in this rut, or even deeper, the people will wise up and realize that a true conservative candidate is the best choice for the country. Right now the repubs are flaunting moderates and "mavericks" to try to get some of the popularity vote. Newt Gingrich has hinted at running but who knows. Unlike what we are currently stuck with, he actually HAS experience and would crush anybody in a debate which would be real fun to watch.

Hate to say it, but maybe a rough three years is the wake-up call this country needs so that next time they just don't cast their vote for the charismatic, well spoken panderer who doesn't follow through on his campaign promises.

LOL!

I agree,but that has been common throught my lifetime,and I been voting for almost 40 years. How bad a candidate was John Kerry that he could not beat President Bush after his first term. Also Bush and Gore were both awful choices. If Bush was a good choice he would have blown away Gore after Clinton had stained,in more ways than one,the presidency.

Oh,come now,if I had a dime for every "terrorist" and "muslim" theory that was thrown out about Obama on here prior to the election,I could buy the website!
No one ever started a thread about Gingrich calling Sotomayor a racist.
No one started a thread about the right wing terrorism involving the killing of the abortion doctor or the murder of the guard at the holocaust museum by a right wing extremist.

Calling someone a "loyalist" without ever meeting face to face is interesting,but I won't stoop to personal attacks.
Funny,we never bumped elbows while you were in the voting booth with me to see how I voted.

It's amazing how all I hear is how America is a "center right" country-everyone says it. Well,John McCain was a "center right" politician-and he lost-badly. Can anyone explain this to me?

Actually there was but it was pulled pretty quickly.



Sure. He may have lost big in the electoral vote, but not so much in the popular vote. Where do the big electoral numbers come from? Yep, the large metro areas that are primarily democratic controlled. Wasn't it only a couple of percent difference in the popular vote? That isn't "losing badly".

Oh. This is going to be easy

You are a loyalist. You threw out the hint an embezzlement charge with no evidence only because you "heard it on the internet." The terrorist charge wasn't leveled at obama but at ayres before the election and how much obama had a relation with him.

secondly, the muslim charge. i don't remember anyone here claiming he was a muslim. But, what i am hearing is he himself bragging about his "muslim roots."

My favorite people in the world are Obama voters. Mccain voters were never under the illusion that he would be any different save for some in the talk radio crowd. But Obama voters.... wow. talk about being truly in love. I thought GWB voters were bad but at least they did an obligatory critisism on the spending and growth of government. It took about 6 years for them to finally see the light. i don't think the true obama believers will ever

Lastly, the center right argument. that's based on how people vote on certain ballot issues. most tax increaes, new programs, gay marriage, benefits for illegals, ect tend to favor the conservative side for the most part.

also, your guy ran on fiscal responsibility, tax cuts, ect. he never would have won if he told people what he really had planned

This should be pulled as well. As far as me and my family are concerned,this is-and always will be-the greatest country on the planet-no matter who is running it.
Would you like to try and fish for Eyes in Morocco?
I would never,ever dis the United States of America because I didn't agree with the direction I thought it was heading,or who was leading it.

Perhaps you can tell us which country you think is better now?

Please post for me where that stipulation was qualified before the rhetorical comment was thrown out.

People said "Obama is paling around with terrorists"
Yes,I'm sure they weren't trying to initiate any bad thoughts there.

So your view is "they did it, so we can do it, too."
What happened to hope and change???

Well, Bill Ayres said he and the Obama's had a close relationship.

If you don't like it, you need to take that up with Ayres.

However, this isn't a thread to re fight the 2008 election. that fight and the Ayres issue is over.
It's fruitless to bring up Ayres now

What's now more pressing is the huge debt, the massive currency printing and devaluing, the weakness on the international front, the creating a hostile business environment, cap and trade, the upcoming amnesty attempt, the massive deficits, the further loss of capital, the increasing unemployment...these are the current issues of today

oh, and trying to figure out why palin just got up and quit the governorship

You must remember that no President will ever be perfect. Reagan's GDP numbers were dismal.
I think this will be my last post in this "non political" forum.
For some reason I feel like a man running in circles waving my arms fighting a swarm of bees.

All of which neither you or I can do anything about until 2010. Guess I'll go fishing!