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#1623262 - 12/04/08 11:19 AM
Re: 2008-2009 Gophers
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Was favorably impressed with their effort against some competition although thought they took plenty of jump shots too soon several times down the floor allowing Virginia to stay close. If they want to run with the big dogs they'll have to keep that under control. Doing that against teams like Michigan St., Wisconsin and Purdue will be disastrous. Iverson looks like the real deal and will only get better. Nolan, Johnson and Hoffarber picked up where they left off. Westbrook looks improved even though he got off to a slow start in this game. Sampson III looks like a project, lots of potential, but doesn't look like a scoring machine, yet. After watching several of the other Big 10 teams play in this ACC-Big 10 challenge, I like the Gophers chances. If they keep their defense cranked up and keep the injury bug away, they'll make it interesting against most teams in the Big 10. Should make the Big Dance, probably won't get far but who knows? Stranger things have happened.
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#1623672 - 12/04/08 02:11 PM
Re: 2008-2009 Gophers
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Looks like a dancin' year just from the style of defensive basketball they play (much better application by this year's team than last, which may be a result of improved athleticism and quickness). But first they need to show me they can win some games in the Big Ten. Last year's team was great at losing any time it was close as they didn't have a finisher's mentality.
...lots of ball to play between now and March, and it will be fun to see how things along the way.
Amen. Too many close but no cigars against the likes of Wisconsin and Indiana last year. Lots of cold nights ahead getting the chores done as fast as possible so we can get back in the house, warm up and watch Tubby and the boys. Wouldn't miss it for the world.
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#1627122 - 12/06/08 03:23 PM
Re: 2008-2009 Gophers
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Thank for the update. I was disappointed they did not televise the game. Hopefully next year they will have a more challenging preconference schedule.
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#1636236 - 12/11/08 11:50 AM
Re: 2008-2009 Gophers
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Thanks for the updates, both of you. Will commit it to the memory banks faulty as they may be. Tubby pretty well summed it up afterwards and apparently we saw some of the same things going on: rebounding! Especially in the second half when SDSU made a run at them, looked more like a volleyball game at times. I did appreciate the way they buckled down on D and shut them off, making a run of their own. Hoffarber being out took away part of the longball threat and it was evident several times down the floor when he likely would've canned a 3 to take the wind out of the opposition's sails. Oh well, best start since 72-73 season I believe and possibly Tubby's best start ever. Looking forward to the Louisville game to see what they're made of.
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#1636238 - 12/11/08 11:52 AM
Re: 2008-2009 Gophers
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My family got tickets to the Minnesota vs. Michigan State game
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#1636813 - 12/11/08 04:29 PM
Re: 2008-2009 Gophers
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My question is how are they not rated? They recieved a couple votes but that was it. What a crock!
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#1636887 - 12/11/08 05:14 PM
Re: 2008-2009 Gophers
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Just a guess here but I'd have to say their cupcake schedule to this point wasn't considered strong enough, starting off playing a Division II school and the likes of SDSU and NDSU with no Nebraska's, Marquette's, Cincinnatti's or IA St.'s in the mix this year. The Big 10 is good but not as dominant as it once was, and with Virginia and Colorado St. being their toughest opponents to date, we've only seen glimpses. We really haven't seen how good (or bad) they really are. Best to be flying under the radar at this point anyway. If they beat Louisville, then we talk.
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#1637162 - 12/11/08 07:54 PM
Re: 2008-2009 Gophers
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as far as being rated, they might sneak in after the weekend.
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#1640182 - 12/13/08 01:44 PM
Re: 2008-2009 Gophers
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White, Williams Could Be The Start Of Something Big At Minnesota
by Matt Gagne, New York Daily News
The problem with calling yourself the "Land of 10,000 Lakes" and sharing a border with Canada: Some people might get the wild idea that kids grow up skating year-round, while game wardens take Zambonis out on patrol.
Forgive Tubby Smith for going after the hearts and minds.
When Smith left Kentucky two years ago and landed at the University of Minnesota, he inserted the Golden Gophers into the national hoops conversation by virtue of his résumé, which includes an NCAA championship, three national coach of the year awards, 17 former players who went on to the NBA and Olympic gold as an assistant at the 2000 Games in Sydney.
A day after he was named the 16th men's basketball coach in school history, letters poured into the (Minneapolis) Star Tribune rife with optimism: about filling seats at Williams Arena and putting the program back on the map; about finally overcoming a nagging inferiority complex; about not being "the cupcake on Winona State's schedule anymore."
Unlike the kind of feedback the Kentucky faithful had been offering up -- aka demands for another national title -- there was just one minor piece of advice lobbed in Smith's direction: "Any coach at Minnesota has to keep the best kids in the state playing here."
It was a fair point. After all, how can you attract top talent from across the country if the best in-state players are packing their bags and leaving home?
In seven-plus years at the helm, it was something Don Monson struggled to do after he replaced Clem Haskins in the wake of the school's notorious academic scandal. Exhibit A: Cole Aldrich, the top high school player in Minnesota two years ago, and now a sophomore at Kansas who played in every game of the Jayhawks' championship season.
Closing the borders, so to speak, was a top priority of Smith's.
"It's important to stabilize the recruiting, and to help people understand that there's a new direction and a new commitment," Smith said. "I wanted people to know I'm serious about keeping the talent here in Minnesota."
Smith put the cornerstone in place with his second recruiting class, signing the state's top two players in Royce White (Minnetonka, Minn./Hopkins) and Rodney Williams (New Hope, Minn./Robbinsdale Cooper) -- friends since fourth grade and rival forwards who rank in the top third of the ESPNU 100.
"They were about as good as we could find in the country, and they were right in our backyard," Smith said. "We focused our attention on them right when we got here. To be able to land those two players, it was critical."
All he had to do was ask.
"I always wanted to play for the Gophers, but if they didn't have a coach like Tubby Smith, I wasn't even going to consider them," said Williams, a senior at Robbinsdale Cooper who ranks 29th in the Class of 2009. "He didn't really have to do a lot of convincing. As soon as I heard he was coming, I kind of had my mind set."
"There's a misconception that people don't want to live here or be here," added White. "I like playing in front of people that I've known my whole life. It was a major bonus that Tubby came here. He definitely sealed the deal."
Just how seminal a moment was Smith's arrival?
Dave Johnson, the 56-year-old boys basketball coach at Robbinsdale Cooper who led the Hawks to a fourth-place finish in the state tournament last year, grew up playing hoops in Minneapolis and has coached in the area for more than three decades. When the university announced Smith's hiring on March 23, 2007, Johnson was certain April Fools' Day had come early.
"The state of Minnesota was in a state of shock. People picked up the paper and they didn't believe it," Johnson said. "We had to see him on the floor to believe it."
Hoops has never been a foreign concept in Minnesota, even though it is home to the Hockey Hall of Fame and the world's largest freestanding hockey stick and puck. A certain NBA franchise was named after all the lakes before it relocated to Los Angeles, and the University of Minnesota has produced 41 pros -- second-most in the Big Ten behind Indiana.
But the focus has shifted to the future, and the spotlight has already fallen on White and Williams, who will battle head-to-head when Hopkins makes the 10-minute trip to Robbinsdale Cooper on Feb. 3. The future Gophers have emerged as the early front-runners to win the coveted Mr. Basketball award.
"Any time we play each other, it's all out," said White, who averaged 21.6 points a game last year at De LaSalle High School, where he won a state title his freshman year. "After the game we're best friends, but on the court we don't look at each other as teammates. We're enemies."
While published reports have questioned the likelihood of both players being academically eligible to attend Minnesota next fall -- White transferred to Hopkins this year after being dismissed from De LaSalle last winter for what he described as an "academic mistake," and rumors surfaced that Williams was thinking about playing professionally overseas because of poor grades -- both say they're on track and pushing each other to avoid bouts of senioritis.
Theirs is a friendship based on competition, with enough history to soften the blow if one ends up getting more playing time than the other. But that doesn't mean there won't be hard feelings when it comes to settling the issue of the top bunk.
"I know it's going to be a lot of fun. He's not going to be a boring guy to live with," said Williams, who's the same height as Williams. "But he's too big. I'm not letting him get it."
The duo can rest easy knowing the burden to resurrect Gophers basketball doesn't fall entirely on their shoulders. Trevor Mbakwe, another Minnesota product who played one year at Marquette before transferring to Miami Dade Community College, is also part of Smith's second recruiting class, along with Justin Cobbs (Torrance, Calif./Bishop Montgomery).
Smith's first recruiting class also was solid, though it lacked in-state talent. He landed one of the top players out of Canada in guard Devoe Joseph, and he signed Georgia product Ralph Sampson III, the son of NBA All-Star Ralph Sampson, who passed on Kentucky and followed him north.
"People believe it's now a strong program and that it's only going to get better," says Ken Novak, the boys basketball coach at Hopkins who has coached in Minnesota for 26 years. "Tubby has legitimacy. He's been there and he's done that."
In his first season of a seven-year contract, Smith led the Gophers to a 20-14 overall record and a sixth-place finish (8-10) in the Big Ten. Through Tuesday, the Gophers were 8-0 against non-conference opponents who aren't exactly among the nation's elite.
But the wins are still breadcrumbs and baby steps along the road.
And What exactly is Smith hoping to achieve?
A random Minnesota travel guide pulled off the shelf at Barnes & Noble offers this nugget about the university: Its hockey teams "are perpetually among the best in the nation," while the basketball teams "usually put on a good show in the Big Ten Conference."
It's a nice way of saying there are better acts in town, and precisely the kind of perception Smith is out to change.
"I want to win championships, and I think we have that potential," he said. "If we do things the right way, that's a possibility in my tenure here. And I've got a few more years here, so hopefully we'll be in Final Fours and considered the type of team that can compete in that type of arena."
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