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#1558734 - 10/15/08 12:08 PM
Re: I geuss the H in BHO stands for Hood(Robin Hood)
[Re: Sandmannd]
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 07/19/07
Posts: 948
Loc: Saint Paul
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The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want; He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; He restores my soul.
Look at all of you getting all metaphysical on us now....
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#1558906 - 10/15/08 02:53 PM
Re: I geuss the H in BHO stands for Hood(Robin Hood)
[Re: Chode2235]
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 07/19/07
Posts: 948
Loc: Saint Paul
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Or some more bad news, at least if you think "Ayers' is a legitimate issue in the campaign.
McCain has Saddam's lobbyist working for him?....
From Huffpo, so I know the content will be ignored:
"William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.
The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein's government.
During the same period beginning in 1992, Timmons worked closely with the two lobbyists, Samir Vincent and Tongsun Park, on a previously unreported prospective deal with the Iraqis in which they hoped to be awarded a contract to purchase and resell Iraqi oil. Timmons, Vincent, and Park stood to share at least $45 million if the business deal went through.
Timmons' activities occurred in the years following the first Gulf War, when Washington considered Iraq to be a rogue enemy state and a sponsor of terrorism. His dealings on behalf of the deceased Iraqi leader stand in stark contrast to the views his current employer held at the time.
John McCain strongly supported the 1991 military action against Iraq, and as recently as Sunday described Saddam Hussein as a one-time menace to the region who had "stated categorically that he would acquire weapons of mass destruction, and he would use them wherever he could."
Timmons declined to comment for this story. An office manager who works for him said that he has made it his practice during his public career to never speak to the press. Timmons previously told investigators that he did not know that either Vincent or Park were acting as unregistered agents of Iraq. He also insisted that he did not fully understand just how closely the two men were tied to Saddam's regime while they collaborated.
But testimony and records made public during Park's criminal trial, as well as other information uncovered during a United Nations investigation, suggest just the opposite. Virtually everything Timmons did while working on the lobbying campaign was within days conveyed by Vincent to either one or both of Saddam Hussein's top aides, Tariq Aziz and Nizar Hamdoon. Vincent also testified that he almost always relayed input from the Iraqi aides back to Timmons.
Talking points that Timmons produced for the lobbyists to help ease the sanctions, for example, were reviewed ahead of time by Aziz, Vincent testified in court. Proposals that Timmons himself circulated to U.S. officials as part of the effort were written with the assistance of the Iraqi officials, and were also sent ahead of time with Timmons' approval to Aziz, other records show.
Moreover, there was a major financial incentive at play for Timmons. The multi-million dollar oil deal that he was pursuing with the two other lobbyists would only be possible if their efforts to ease sanctions against Iraq were successful."
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#1558944 - 10/15/08 03:34 PM
Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here
[Re: Sandmannd]
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FishingMN Family
Registered: 09/05/08
Posts: 18
Loc: St. Paul, MN
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Considering we just spent $700 billion bailing out rich white guys on Wall Street this comment is really hard to swallow. Again, think about the facts before commenting.
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#1558958 - 10/15/08 03:45 PM
Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here
[Re: Dhhenry]
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Sr IceLeaders Family
Registered: 04/24/02
Posts: 1824
Loc: Twin Cities
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Chode, I can't wait to see fishgutz' reaction to that. I am sure he will condemn McCain for associating with...oh, never mind. Saddam wasn't that bad, was he?
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#1558973 - 10/15/08 03:55 PM
Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here
[Re: Maximum12]
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 07/19/07
Posts: 948
Loc: Saint Paul
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More endorsements from Nobel Prize winning scientists:
An Open Letter to the American People
This year's presidential election is among the most significant in our nation's history. The country urgently needs a visionary leader who can ensure the future of our traditional strengths in science and technology and who can harness those strengths to address many of our greatest problems: energy, disease, climate change, security, and economic competitiveness. We are convinced that Senator Barack Obama is such a leader, and we urge you to join us in supporting him.
During the administration of George W. Bush, vital parts of our country's scientific enterprise have been damaged by stagnant or declining federal support. The government's scientific advisory process has been distorted by political considerations. As a result, our once dominant position in the scientific world has been shaken and our prosperity has been placed at risk. We have lost time critical for the development of new ways to provide energy, treat disease, reverse climate change, strengthen our security, and improve our economy.
We have watched Senator Obama's approach to these issues with admiration. We especially applaud his emphasis during the campaign on the power of science and technology to enhance our nation's competitiveness. In particular, we support the measures he plans to take – through new initiatives in education and training, expanded research funding, an unbiased process for obtaining scientific advice, and an appropriate balance of basic and applied research – to meet the nation's and the world's most urgent needs.
Senator Obama understands that Presidential leadership and federal investments in science and technology are crucial elements in successful governance of the world's leading country. We hope you will join us as we work together to ensure his election in November.
Signed,
Alexei Arikosov Physics 2003 Roger Guillemin Medicine 1977 Peter Agre Chemistry 2003 John L. Hall Physics 2005 Sidney Altman Chemistry 1989 Leland H. Hartwell Medicine 2001 Philip W. Anderson Physics 1977 Dudley Herschbach Chemistry 1986 Richard Axel Medicine 2004 Roald Hoffmann Chemistry 1981 David Baltimore Medicine 1975 H. Robert Horvitz Medicine 2002 Baruj Benacerraf Medicine 1980 Louis Ignarro Medicine 1998 Paul Berg Chemistry 1980 Eric R. Kandel Medicine 2000 J. Michael Bishop Medicine 1989 Walter Kohn Chemistry 1998 N. Bloembergen Physics 1981 Roger Kornberg Chemistry 2006 Michael S. Brown Medicine 1985 Leon M. Lederman Physics 1988 Linda B. Buck Medicine 2004 Craig C. Mello Medicine 2006 Mario R. Capecchi Medicine 2007 Yoichiro Nambu Physics 2008 Martin Chalfie Chemistry 2008 Marshall Nirenberg Medicine 1968 Stanley Cohen Medicine 1986 Douglas D. Osheroff Physics 1996 Leon Cooper Physics 1972 Stanley B. Prusiner Medicine 1997 James W. Cronin Physics 1980 Norman F. Ramsey Physics 1989 Robert F. Curl Chemistry 1996 Robert Richardson Physics 1996 Johann Diesenhofer Chemistry 1988 Burton Richter Physics 1976 John B. Fenn Chemistry 2002 Sherwood Rowland Chemistry 1995 Edmond H. Fischer Medicine 1992 Oliver Smithies Medicine 2007 Val Fitch Physics 1980 Richard R Schrock Chemistry 2005 Jerome I. Friedman Physics 1990 Joseph H. Taylor Jr. Physics 1993 Murray Gell-Man Physics 1969 E. Donnall Thomas Medicine 1990 Riccardo Giacconi Physics 2002 Charles H. Townes Physics 1964 Walter Gilbert Chemistry 1980 Roger Tsien Chemistry 2008 Alfred G. Gilman Medicine 1994 Daniel C.Tsui Physics 1998 Donald A. Glaser Physics 1960 Harold Varmus Medicine 1989 Sheldon L. Glashow Physics 1979 James D. Watson Medicine 1962 Joseph Goldstein Medicine 1985 Eric Wieschaus Medicine 1995 Paul Greengard Medicine 2000 Frank Wilczek Physics 2004 David Gross Physics 2004 Robert W. Wilson Physics 1978 Robert H. Grubbs Chemistry 2005
The views expressed in this letter represent those of the signers acting as individual citizens. They do not necessarily represent the views of the institutions with which they are affiliated. The Medicine award is for “Physiology or Medicine.”
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#1559019 - 10/15/08 04:35 PM
Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here
[Re: Chode2235]
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 12/03/03
Posts: 645
Loc: Elk River
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More endorsements from Nobel Prize winning scientists:
In particular, we support the measures he plans to take – through new initiatives in education and training, expanded research funding, an unbiased process for obtaining scientific advice, and an appropriate balance of basic and applied research – to meet the nation's and the world's most urgent needs. Let me guess what might be behind their preference. $$$At least they're honest about it.
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#1559047 - 10/15/08 05:12 PM
Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here
[Re: Sandmannd]
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HotSpotOutdoors Pro Staff
Registered: 12/23/01
Posts: 16192
Loc: Ely, MN
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#1559048 - 10/15/08 05:13 PM
Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here
[Re: Sandmannd]
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 12/03/03
Posts: 645
Loc: Elk River
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I think this septic truck sums up the elections pretty well: Nice Shane. From what I've seen, I'd go with this. 
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#1559200 - 10/15/08 07:59 PM
Re: I geuss the H in BHO stands for Hood(Robin Hood)
[Re: LMITOUT]
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FishingMN Family
Registered: 01/13/08
Posts: 152
Loc: Grand Rapids, MN
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It's not class warfare, it's just data. I'm not begrudging anyone their hard earned wealth. I'm just pointing out to those who trot out the class warfare parrot or the [PoorWordUsage]'folks welfare theme, that there are lots of other forms of welfare embedded in the tax code.
Now I suppose you will reply that those tax advantages are both justified and deserved. Fine. But its still welfare...just goes by a different name.
If the flat tax advocates would also promote the elimination of tax breaks of ALL forms, I might find it appealing.
But the tax code favors the rich disproportionately to the middle class....so I stand by my statement and will provide the numbers to back it up. And I'm tired of paying lots of taxes myself to support the life style of the rich...particularly those who believe they 'made it on their own' and the tax breaks they enjoy are their just rewards for living a good and sanctimonious life.
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#1559209 - 10/15/08 08:09 PM
Re: I geuss the H in BHO stands for Hood(Robin Hood)
[Re: basslkjohn]
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HotSpotOutdoors Family
Registered: 12/11/06
Posts: 72
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What do people think about a national sales tax and eliminate income tax altogether? If it were a consumption tax, wouldn't that be the most fair way? The more you spend the more you are taxed. I could see the only exemptions being food and mortgages. Food because it is a neccesity, and mortgages because because you are already being taxed via property taxes. Any thoughts?
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