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#1557115 - 10/14/08 06:44 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Chode2235]
Uncle Bill Offline
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Originally Posted By: Chode2235
Or heck we can talk about Obama's newly unveiled economic stimilus plan:

"TOLEDO, Ohio - Democrat Barack Obama proposed more immediate steps Monday to heal the nation's ailing economy including a 90-day moratorium on home foreclosures at some banks and a two-year tax break for businesses that create new jobs.

With the economic turmoil weighing down his Republican presidential rival, Obama also proposed allowing people to withdraw up to $10,000 from their retirement accounts without any penalty this year and next.

The Democratic presidential candidate said his proposals, with a price tag of $60 billion over two years, can be enacted quickly, either through the government's regulatory powers or legislation that Congress could pass in a special session after the election.

"I'm proposing a number of steps that we should take immediately to stabilize our financial system, provide relief to families and communities and help struggling homeowners," Obama told a crowd of 3,000. "It's a plan that begins with one word that's on everyone's mind, and it's spelled J-O-B-S."
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How is Obama going to pay for this ?
Tax on individuals making 250K or more is at 35% now.
What will the new % be ?
Taxe on business is 35% now.
How will raising the business tax create jobs ?



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#1557119 - 10/14/08 06:48 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: LMITOUT]
Uncle Bill Offline
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L.O.
Great post.
But the libs and the media keep assuring us Obama is Christian.
Has been his whole life!
Connections like this are not as important as a tax cut.

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#1557138 - 10/14/08 07:18 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Uncle Bill]
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Fox keeps assuring you Obama is an Arab right?

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#1557143 - 10/14/08 07:24 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Loos15]
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The libs and their media have assured me he is Christian.
Why would I have reason to doubt ?
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#1557146 - 10/14/08 07:29 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Uncle Bill]
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haven't answered my question Bill. Does Fox assure you he's Arab?
Or is Fox too liberal for you too? Maybe Mac is too liberal too?

But not to belabor the question, I'll move on. Your question about how Obama plans to pay for the tax breaks. Close tax loopholes on big oil. It's a cliche. But how are both the major party candidates gona pay for their economic plans? Mac wants to buy up all the mortgages. At least that's what I heard. Correct me if I'm wrong.


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#1557151 - 10/14/08 07:35 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Loos15]
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It's not an issue we need to get hung up on.
McCain has run just about the worst campaign ever.
I have serious doubts he can win.
Lets talk about Obama tax cuts for those making less than 250K.
I posted some questions for Obama supporters.
Educate me.
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#1557154 - 10/14/08 07:36 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Loos15]
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Who is "Big Oil" ?
And buying up bad mortgages is an assinine idea.
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#1557156 - 10/14/08 07:37 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: LMITOUT]
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Originally Posted By: LMITOUT
Originally Posted By: Fat Rap guy

McCain at an ACORN rally.

You can't make this stuff up.



But it can be misconstrued. Not quite a "ACORN rally".



Miami, Florida – February 20, 2006 &#8213; Leaders from a diverse array of sectors will hold a rally in Miami on Thursday, February 23, 2006, in support of comprehensive immigration reform in an effort to keep immigration reform at the forefront of the public debate. Leaders from both political parties, immigrant communities, labor, business, and religious organizations will gather to call on Washington to enact workable reform.

The rally will feature Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) as the headline speaker along with elected officials, immigrants and key local and national leaders. Sen. McCain is one of the chief sponsors of the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act; bipartisan, comprehensive immigration reform legislation introduced last Congress and scheduled for consideration by the Senate in the coming weeks. A similar rally with Sen. McCain is planned for New York City on February 27 [...]

The rally in Miami is being sponsored by the New American Opportunity campaign (NAOC) in partnership with ACORN, Catholic Legal Services - Archdiocese of Miami, Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center, Florida Immigrant Coalition, Miami Dade College, People for the American Way/Mi Familia Vota en Acción, Service Employees International Union, and UNITE HERE.



Appears to me it's just more evidence of McCain being a reformer. whistle


Being in a rally with ACORN as Mac, you're a maverick! reformer!
Sitting on the board for educational planing that had republican sponsorship with Ayres, You're a terrorist pal.

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#1557158 - 10/14/08 07:40 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Uncle Bill]
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Originally Posted By: Uncle Bill
Who is "Big Oil" ?
And buying up bad mortgages is an assinine idea.


Good question. I like to think big oil as enities like Exxon who made 4billion dollars as our prices gas soared.

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#1557161 - 10/14/08 07:44 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Loos15]
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They will pass the tax onto you.
Anyone can see that coming.
Is that the Obama plan ?
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#1557168 - 10/14/08 07:48 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Uncle Bill]
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Originally Posted By: Uncle Bill
The libs and their media have assured me he is Christian.
Why would I have reason to doubt ?


Honestly who gives a [PoorWordUsage] what religion he is, really? There are much more important issues facing my family that how the presidential candidadate prays at night.


Jeebus, how superficial and self righteous can we be?

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#1557172 - 10/14/08 07:51 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Uncle Bill]
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UB Dont you watch any debates? I think both canidates stated their or some anyway of their ideas.Try tunin in watch and listen then no explaining will be needed! Explaining you'll rebut anyway or just ignore.
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#1557173 - 10/14/08 07:54 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: sparcebag]
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Anyone else ?
Tax those over 250K ?
At what percent ?
I have not heard that at any debate.
How much will that raise compared to what all the new proposals will cost ?
I have not heard that either.
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#1557187 - 10/14/08 08:07 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Uncle Bill]
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Bascially it'll roll back the Bush tax cuts. Back to the Bush Senior years. As you might think oil will pass it on to us, the fundementals of pricing in captalist system is demand. 4billion in profits and our gas prices got higher. That makes no sense in this pass it on arugment. The reason why gas is low right now, is because of very sharp drop in demand as people are losing their jobs and savings.

Btw, my dad being a small business owner, has no problem with obama's plan. He started to talk very strange and diffucult vocab in Chinese, and I didn't understand most of it...lol


Edited by Loos15 (10/14/08 08:10 AM)

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#1557188 - 10/14/08 08:07 AM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Uncle Bill]
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Registered: 01/08/07
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Loc: Stillwater (Maple Island), MN
Originally Posted By: Uncle Bill
Anyone else ?
Tax those over 250K ?
At what percent ?
I have not heard that at any debate.
How much will that raise compared to what all the new proposals will cost ?
I have not heard that either.


Bill, both candidates have detailed tax plans posted. The IRS has a trove of tax data too. Do a bit of research, then pull out your calculator. With wealth distribution as skewed as it is, you can raise the taxes on the wealthy a little and generate a lot of revenue. Here is what Obama's plan states:

• Families making more than $250,000 will pay either the same or lower tax rates than they paid in
the 1990s. Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the taxes they have
received over the past eight years to ensure we are restoring fairness and returning to fiscal
responsibility. But no family will pay higher tax rates than they would have paid in the 1990s. In fact,
dividend rates would be 39 percent lower than what President Bush proposed in his 2001 tax cut.


I'm pretty sure any way you slice this thing, our debt and costs to maintain our society will far outstrip tax revenues. Taxes will go up under either politician. Are you really concerned about your taxes, or folks that net 250K? I'm not.
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