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#1549894 - 10/07/08 02:27 PM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Loos15]
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[quote=Loos15]What did Lincoln do that was so great and made him qualified to run for President?
I'm not saying Obama = Lincoln
What makes Palin quailifed for VP?
analzye US history and you'll see some of our best president has less expereince than Obama.
Expereince, I've come to the conclusion means nothing. I won't hold Palin's inexpereince against her.
aslong as you are gona talk abotu wright
John Hagee, Rob parsely




Nice quote from Reagan about holding their inexperience against the other person.. On the flip side, I bet you think McCain is too old and out of touch..

The burden of proof is on The candidate to proove why they would make a better President, not the other way around.. Life experience is a big part of that proof because people that dont know someone, can't make a intelligent decision based on someones words alone.. especially when every other word coming out of their mouth is a lie. It is impossible to know Where Obama stands on anything, because all we have is useless words. Where as McCain has a record to run on... Why would anyone throw caution into the wind and vote for a total unknown? It's like putting all your money down on one hand of poker.. Even as much as i dont care for Hillary, or McCain, you can look at their track record and know where they stand on a topic.. Obama has none of that, and that scares the heck out of alot of people because he is a total unknown quantity.. It's a big part of why the Stock Market will tank even worse with him leading in the polls.. Unknown Quantity tax raiser ='s bad for stock market.. But Young idealists don't have anything to lose in voting for a unknown quantity, and thus have no fear of losing anything, because they risk nothing.. They can afford to have "Hope" and "Change" because up to this point your freedoms have been protected by those with "Vision".

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#1549897 - 10/07/08 02:28 PM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Loos15]
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Originally Posted By: Loos15
What did Lincoln do that was so great and made him qualified to run for President?
I'm not saying Obama = Lincoln
What makes Palin quailifed for VP?
analzye US history and you'll see some of our best president has less expereince than Obama.
Expereince, I've come to the conclusion means nothing. I won't hold Palin's inexpereince against her.


Not to question you smile but can you state "some of our best president(s) has (have had) less expereince (experience) than Obama"

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#1549912 - 10/07/08 02:33 PM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Loos15]
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Originally Posted By: Loos15
What did Lincoln do that was so great and made him qualified to run for President?
I'm not saying Obama = Lincoln
What makes Palin quailifed for VP?
analzye US history and you'll see some of our best president has less expereince than Obama.
Expereince, I've come to the conclusion means nothing. I won't hold Palin's inexpereince against her.


I'll stab at this one.

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Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once

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#1549921 - 10/07/08 02:35 PM Re: Palin---Biden---VP Debate Preview! [Re: Loos15]
Loos15 Online   content
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Originally Posted By: Loos15
Originally Posted By: Loos15
Ok, Lets do a little talking about the importance of "executive expereince" Republicans are using as their war banner. Please bear with me as this is gona be a history lesson.
Heres some president that had less executive expereince than Palin before they came to office of the Presidency and made it a sucess.

Lincoln, state leg, congressmen, failed attempt at senate. Obama has more expereince than Lincoln did)

Truman, before he was VP. And even when he was VP, FDR didn't let him do anything or know anything.

Ford, not a great sucess but definilty not a failure.

JFK -how did I forget him? man...

Heres some that had more executive expereince than Palin and widely regarded as failures.

Grant - Union general and a great one at that. Defeated Lee while drunk. Can't do anything as a president.

Jimmy Carter - Governor of Georgia, failure as a president for most Americans.

G H.W. Bush - NOT a failure but not regarded as sucessful. I love him, greatest modern day President...but most republicans disagree.

G.W. Bushney - well from all his executive expereince...he should've been the best darn President ever. He can't even get his own party on board with him.

Nixon - well he's Nixon..and I forgot him too >_<



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experience doesn't matter. If republicans are dismissing obama on experience but not palin..that's also a double standard.


Alright...apparently not page 50..lol
I named Lincoln smile

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#1549923 - 10/07/08 02:37 PM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Loos15]
Jaydebull Offline
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Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 137
Loc: Wadena County
Originally Posted By: Loos15
What did Lincoln do that was so great and made him qualified to run for President?
I'm not saying Obama = Lincoln
What makes Palin quailifed for VP?
analzye US history and you'll see some of our best president has less expereince than Obama.
Expereince, I've come to the conclusion means nothing. I won't hold Palin's inexpereince against her.


If you were an applicant for a job and told me that experience means nothing... guess who isn't getting the job?

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#1549925 - 10/07/08 02:37 PM Re: Palin---Biden---VP Debate Preview! [Re: Loos15]
BobT Online   content
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Registered: 03/20/06
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Experience isn't even a requirement in terms of the law and in some cases it isn't required in terms of the voters either.

Bob
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#1549926 - 10/07/08 02:38 PM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: BobT]
Loos15 Online   content
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Registered: 06/11/07
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Originally Posted By: BobT
Originally Posted By: Loos15
What did Lincoln do that was so great and made him qualified to run for President?
I'm not saying Obama = Lincoln
What makes Palin quailifed for VP?
analzye US history and you'll see some of our best president has less expereince than Obama.
Expereince, I've come to the conclusion means nothing. I won't hold Palin's inexpereince against her.


I'll stab at this one.

*****************
Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once

*****************
Bob


So the Qualifications of Palin, Obama etc, is basicly they are US born citizens and over the age requirment and been here for 14 years.
Exactly smile

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#1549927 - 10/07/08 02:38 PM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: lawdog]
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Registered: 07/19/07
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Originally Posted By: lawdog
Originally Posted By: nofishfisherman
Lawdog is apparently willing to show his ignorance today. I guess that is commendable in a way.

Please explain how what I posted is "fear mongoring". I think that term is getting thrown around a lot without really knowing what it means. Let me help you out.

"Fear mongering (or scaremongering) is the use of fear to leverage the opinions and actions of others towards some end"


Very simple nofish, the obvious implication of your posts is these topics are off limits as they MAY create some tension towards Obama which may even be racially motivated therefore you are absolutely using the fear or racial tension to leverage against calling this guy out for what he is. As for my "ignorance", you should read the board policies about personal attacks and even if you don't you should think about how pathetic a debate tactic that is...


I dont think it has much to do with 'causing tension' with Obama, but a lot more to do with the fact that your implications are incredible stretches of the truth (if even rooted in truth), and in no way answer the obvious and dire questions Americans have on how we are going to fix the economy, end the war in Iraq, get off of foreign oil, and create am America for my children and grandchildren.

In those aspects, the ones that matter to people who live in this country, your arguments are unhelpful at best, but more likely a distraction and distortion from what really matters.

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#1549929 - 10/07/08 02:39 PM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Jaydebull]
Loos15 Online   content
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Registered: 06/11/07
Posts: 1049
Loc: Bloomington, MN
Originally Posted By: Jaydebull
Originally Posted By: Loos15
What did Lincoln do that was so great and made him qualified to run for President?
I'm not saying Obama = Lincoln
What makes Palin quailifed for VP?
analzye US history and you'll see some of our best president has less expereince than Obama.
Expereince, I've come to the conclusion means nothing. I won't hold Palin's inexpereince against her.


If you were an applicant for a job and told me that experience means nothing... guess who isn't getting the job?


Strange, I keep telling people I have a lot expereince(which I do) in admin support but my job positions keeps going away to people who has no expereince but with a business, english, history degree.

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#1549949 - 10/07/08 02:51 PM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Loos15]
Jaydebull Offline
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Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 137
Loc: Wadena County
Originally Posted By: Loos15
Originally Posted By: Jaydebull
Originally Posted By: Loos15
What did Lincoln do that was so great and made him qualified to run for President?
I'm not saying Obama = Lincoln
What makes Palin quailifed for VP?
analzye US history and you'll see some of our best president has less expereince than Obama.
Expereince, I've come to the conclusion means nothing. I won't hold Palin's inexpereince against her.


If you were an applicant for a job and told me that experience means nothing... guess who isn't getting the job?


Strange, I keep telling people I have a lot expereince(which I do) in admin support but my job positions keeps going away to people who has no expereince but with a business, english, history degree.


Sorry to hear that.. I hire and have hired alot of people over the course of my career. Some jobs people can be over qualified for that might be deemed starter jobs, which are then given to those right out of college. President however, is not a starter job as Hillary would say, and I would have to go with experience over wet behind the ears in who I would want to lead our country. Generally speaking most companies want the best qualified applicants to fill the positions. If not, then there will probably be a job opening for an HR manager before too long..

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#1549965 - 10/07/08 03:02 PM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Jaydebull]
Loos15 Online   content
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Registered: 06/11/07
Posts: 1049
Loc: Bloomington, MN
Originally Posted By: Jaydebull
[quote=Loos15]What did Lincoln do that was so great and made him qualified to run for President?
I'm not saying Obama = Lincoln
What makes Palin quailifed for VP?
analzye US history and you'll see some of our best president has less expereince than Obama.
Expereince, I've come to the conclusion means nothing. I won't hold Palin's inexpereince against her.
aslong as you are gona talk abotu wright
John Hagee, Rob parsely




Nice quote from Reagan about holding their inexperience against the other person.. On the flip side, I bet you think McCain is too old and out of touch..

The burden of proof is on The candidate to proove why they would make a better President, not the other way around.. Life experience is a big part of that proof because people that dont know someone, can't make a intelligent decision based on someones words alone.. especially when every other word coming out of their mouth is a lie. It is impossible to know Where Obama stands on anything, because all we have is useless words. Where as McCain has a record to run on... Why would anyone throw caution into the wind and vote for a total unknown? It's like putting all your money down on one hand of poker.. Even as much as i dont care for Hillary, or McCain, you can look at their track record and know where they stand on a topic.. Obama has none of that, and that scares the heck out of alot of people because he is a total unknown quantity.. It's a big part of why the Stock Market will tank even worse with him leading in the polls.. Unknown Quantity tax raiser ='s bad for stock market.. But Young idealists don't have anything to lose in voting for a unknown quantity, and thus have no fear of losing anything, because they risk nothing.. They can afford to have "Hope" and "Change" because up to this point your freedoms have been protected by those with "Vision".


Your assumption about my view on mac is wrong. I don't care about his age. I'm not voting for him not because he's old. I don't like his vision for the America I'm going to inherit, I don't like his Bushness policies, I don't like his running mate acting like Dick Chenney. But I did once like mac...before he sold his soul to Bush. The mac of 2000 was a true Maverick if you will. Now...i guess he is too...he likens Bush while almost everyone don't want to be caught being in the same picture frame as Bush.
anyways, I agree with most of what you said. I agree we have to analyze each candidate with greatest of scrunity. But if you analyzed Lincoln before his presidency...you would've seen an expereince failure. If you analzyed Washington before he became president, you would've seen a general who lost more than he won. If you analyzed Bush Jr. , you would've seen a troubled young man who failed at everything he tried to do that his father was sucessfull at. Yet they all became Presidents. 2 of the mentioned 3...were great ones. My point is...you can analzye the person, but you it's very hard to analyze how they will do in office.
We youngens can afford those things you mentioned. I ask you, what else do we have? We are inherting a national debt that our kids' kids will be paying. We are inherting 2 wars. We are inherting a melt down of our enviorment. I can't vote for the same people that gave us this.


Edited by Loos15 (10/07/08 03:04 PM)

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#1549975 - 10/07/08 03:09 PM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Jaydebull]
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Originally Posted By: Jaydebull
Originally Posted By: Loos15
Originally Posted By: Jaydebull
[quote=Loos15]What did Lincoln do that was so great and made him qualified to run for President?
I'm not saying Obama = Lincoln
What makes Palin quailifed for VP?
analzye US history and you'll see some of our best president has less expereince than Obama.
Expereince, I've come to the conclusion means nothing. I won't hold Palin's inexpereince against her.


If you were an applicant for a job and told me that experience means nothing... guess who isn't getting the job?


Strange, I keep telling people I have a lot expereince(which I do) in admin support but my job positions keeps going away to people who has no expereince but with a business, english, history degree.


Sorry to hear that.. I hire and have hired alot of people over the course of my career. Some jobs people can be over qualified for that might be deemed starter jobs, which are then given to those right out of college. President however, is not a starter job as Hillary would say, and I would have to go with experience over wet behind the ears in who I would want to lead our country. Generally speaking most companies want the best qualified applicants to fill the positions. If not, then there will probably be a job opening for an HR manager before too long


..[/quote] How do you get experience as president?? Wasnt Obama Pres. of his law club or something at Harvard?? What was Hillory Pres. of??
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#1549977 - 10/07/08 03:09 PM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Loos15]
Loos15 Online   content
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Registered: 06/11/07
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After that last post, I'm really depressed now. I think I'm going to crawl into a crowded shelter and pretend I'm ice fishing. It's more fun and less gloomy.

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#1549981 - 10/07/08 03:11 PM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: Loos15]
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Registered: 04/30/08
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He can't Run a Professional BaseBall Team.

Hey, I have a Great idea, lets Make him President of
the United States!
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#1550007 - 10/07/08 03:25 PM Re: All Obama, McCain & VP Posts go Here [Re: nofishfisherman]
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Originally Posted By: nofishfisherman

Lawdog, I think you have it all backwards. What political party is trying to tie Obama to terrorists? And look back at your post. I ask, whose post is full of fear mongoring. I guess your post isn't designed to inspire fear? Then why do you try to establish his ties to Muslim extremists? Why do you try to tie him to liberal extremists? Seems to me you are trying to inspire fear = Fear Mongoring. Its the same game that McCain and Palin are trying to play.

I realize you think your party holds a moral advantage but thats just becuase you have already bought into the fear mongoring of the republicans.

Why don't you come right out and call Obama the Antichrist. Thats the next logical step in your arguments.

I hope you aren't too afraid of recent polls.


If you aren't even smart enough to see the difference between pointing out the negatives of a candidate and saying we can't point to anything negative about the guy then its no wonder you've fallen for the empty suit manican "chosen one" candidate. And by the way, your arguments are petty and juvenile and its incredibly arrogent to presuppose that you can assert what I think and then explain to me why I think it. You are a real treat and you are officialy IGNORED before I have to respond in a way that isn't appropriate for this board.

No sense to debate with you, even if you win what have you gained????

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