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#1546918 - 10/04/08 08:00 PM Re: Back on the list [Re: stfcatfish]
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I'd be right next to you in protecting wolves if they needed it. The Endangered species act was a good thing. Too bad it has been used for furthering misguided agendas.

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#1548523 - 10/06/08 03:21 PM Re: Back on the list [Re: walleye101]
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http://www.bwcaboard.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=28#p2438

Re: Grey Wolf to be Taken Off Minnesota Endangered List
by PaddlerJimmy on Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:37 pm

Court gives wolf control back to feds
John Myers
Duluth News Tribune - 09/29/2008
Management of timber wolves in the Great Lakes region has been handed back to the federal government under a federal court decision released today in Washington.

The ruling means that killing a wolf for nearly any reason in Minnesota, Michigan and Wisconsin immediately becomes illegal under federal law once again. The states had set up exceptions allowing some wolf killing by landowners, farmers and others.

Environmental and animal rights groups that had opposed taking wolves off the endangered species list claimed victory on Monday.

The decision by Judge Paul Friedman ruled that the federal government’s effort to remove only Great Lakes region wolves from protection under the Endangered Species Act, as a distinct population segment, was not supported by biology or law.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service moved in 2006 to remove wolves from the endangered species list and give control to state Departments of Natural Resources in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan. The agency concluded that wolves had recovered from near-extinction in the 1960s and 1970s and had met the goals to restore their population in the region.

For the past two years, wolves have been under state management in those states. In addition to government trapping, all three states had allowed slightly more liberal wolf killing by livestock farmers, pet owners and landowners. Wisconsin officials also were mulling a wolf hunt at some point, while Minnesota had put that issue off until at least 2011.

But all those state plans now are on hold.

Filing suit against the de-listing effort were the Humane Society of the United States, Help Our Wolves Live, Born Free USA and Friends of Animals and Their Environment, who said wolves should be handled as a contiguous population. They argued that, because wolves still haven’t been restored to most of their historic range, the animal should keep its federal protection.

The groups oppose efforts by some states to move toward hunting and trapping seasons.

“Even across the three Great Lakes states, wolves aren’t recovered in all areas. And then there are all the other states that had wolf populations but no longer do,’’ Brian O’Neill, lead attorney for the Twin Cities-based Faegre & Benson law firm that handled the case for the groups, told the News Tribune. “If you ask me, 4,000 wolves are not that many across such a large area. ... And we see all three states with (wolf management plans) that could essentially cut the number of wolves in half. That’s not an acceptable situation.’’

Minnesota has about 3,000 wolves while Wisconsin and Michigan each have about 500 or more. But Minnesota’s wolf population has stopped growing and has even shrunk in recent years, a state survey found last winter, and has not grown in geographic area over the past decade as some wolf experts had predicted.

In July, a federal judge in Montana overturned a similar decision stripping wolves of all federal protection in the Rocky Mountain region, thus preventing Idaho, Montana and Wyoming from implementing wolf hunts as well.


This is good news folks.
Good Luck,
Dave
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#1548693 - 10/06/08 06:27 PM Re: Back on the list [Re: fishermuskie]
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Makes me wonder if possible or proposed hunting seasons were the real impetus for the suit.
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#1549144 - 10/06/08 11:55 PM Re: Back on the list [Re: fishermuskie]
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Originally Posted By: fishermuskie
Back off the list


http://www.bwcaboard.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=28#p2438

Re: Grey Wolf to be Taken Off Minnesota Endangered List
by PaddlerJimmy on Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:37 pm

Court gives wolf control back to feds
John Myers
Duluth News Tribune - 09/29/2008
Management of timber wolves in the Great Lakes region has been handed back to the federal government under a federal court decision released today in Washington.

The ruling means that killing a wolf for nearly any reason in Minnesota, Michigan and Wisconsin immediately becomes illegal under federal law once again. The states had set up exceptions allowing some wolf killing by landowners, farmers and others.

Environmental and animal rights groups that had opposed taking wolves off the endangered species list claimed victory on Monday.

The decision by Judge Paul Friedman ruled that the federal government’s effort to remove only Great Lakes region wolves from protection under the Endangered Species Act, as a distinct population segment, was not supported by biology or law.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service moved in 2006 to remove wolves from the endangered species list and give control to state Departments of Natural Resources in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan. The agency concluded that wolves had recovered from near-extinction in the 1960s and 1970s and had met the goals to restore their population in the region.

For the past two years, wolves have been under state management in those states. In addition to government trapping, all three states had allowed slightly more liberal wolf killing by livestock farmers, pet owners and landowners. Wisconsin officials also were mulling a wolf hunt at some point, while Minnesota had put that issue off until at least 2011.

But all those state plans now are on hold.

Filing suit against the de-listing effort were the Humane Society of the United States, Help Our Wolves Live, Born Free USA and Friends of Animals and Their Environment, who said wolves should be handled as a contiguous population. They argued that, because wolves still haven’t been restored to most of their historic range, the animal should keep its federal protection.

The groups oppose efforts by some states to move toward hunting and trapping seasons.

“Even across the three Great Lakes states, wolves aren’t recovered in all areas. And then there are all the other states that had wolf populations but no longer do,’’ Brian O’Neill, lead attorney for the Twin Cities-based Faegre & Benson law firm that handled the case for the groups, told the News Tribune. “If you ask me, 4,000 wolves are not that many across such a large area. ... And we see all three states with (wolf management plans) that could essentially cut the number of wolves in half. That’s not an acceptable situation.’’

Minnesota has about 3,000 wolves while Wisconsin and Michigan each have about 500 or more. But Minnesota’s wolf population has stopped growing and has even shrunk in recent years, a state survey found last winter, and has not grown in geographic area over the past decade as some wolf experts had predicted.

In July, a federal judge in Montana overturned a similar decision stripping wolves of all federal protection in the Rocky Mountain region, thus preventing Idaho, Montana and Wyoming from implementing wolf hunts as well.


This is good news folks.
Good Luck,
Dave


Fishermuskie or Dave,
Can you please explain your post. Starts of with
"Back off the list"
and
"Re: Grey Wolf to be Taken Off Minnesota Endangered List"
Then you follow that up with the article describing how the Judge has overturned the delisting.
So are you saying that it is good news that wolves are back under total protection under the Federal Endangered Species list?

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#1549146 - 10/06/08 11:58 PM Re: Back on the list [Re: stfcatfish]
walleye101 Offline
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Originally Posted By: stfcatfish
Makes me wonder if possible or proposed hunting seasons were the real impetus for the suit.


Of course it is about the possibility of wolves being hunted again. These groups are far more anti-hunting than they are pro-wolf.

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#1549247 - 10/07/08 07:07 AM Re: Back on the list [Re: walleye101]
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Sorry I was confused, I thought they were removed from the ESA list but I guess I was wrong.
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#1549266 - 10/07/08 07:28 AM Re: Back on the list [Re: fishermuskie]
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Originally Posted By: fishermuskie
Sorry I was confused, I thought they were removed from the ESA list but I guess I was wrong.


No problem, I thought maybe you were confused. Actually the one who is wrong here is Judge Paul Friedman. Also, I wish they would print the names of the Environmental and Animal Rights groups who brought this suit. They should at least be held accountable for their tranparent agendas.

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#1549274 - 10/07/08 07:36 AM Re: Back on the list [Re: walleye101]
Happy Birthday stfcatfish Offline
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Walleye101, I figured as much about the anti-hunting, especially with the Humane Society of the United States involving itself.

If Friedman's "logic" is extended to its likely result, the wolf will never be taken off the list because it will never occupy all its former range, and so never will be "recovered" enough to de-list. No doubt that's the goal of those groups.

Completely nonsensical. We live in today's world, and so must the wolf. The range once occupied by the wolf is moot.

Anyone hear of any appeal planned?
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#1549529 - 10/07/08 10:13 AM Re: Back on the list [Re: stfcatfish]
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I think the State of Minnesota and Wisconsin are looking into an appeal. There rational is that only the State in which they administer is subject to the "range" aspect. Meaning, they can not control if the wolf moves into Iowa, S. Dakota or any other state; they only can control their own state and range thereof.

It would not make sense to have 50,000 wolves in Minnesota and no where else.
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#1551649 - 10/08/08 07:49 PM Re: Back on the list [Re: tealitup]
walleye101 Offline
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Originally Posted By: tealitup
I think the State of Minnesota and Wisconsin are looking into an appeal. There rational is that only the State in which they administer is subject to the "range" aspect. Meaning, they can not control if the wolf moves into Iowa, S. Dakota or any other state; they only can control their own state and range thereof.

It would not make sense to have 50,000 wolves in Minnesota and no where else.


I agree it would make no sense, but when has common sense applied to court rulings.

In this case I am not sure the States can appeal, since the ruling was against the US F&W Service decision to remoeve the Wolf from the ESA listing. Wouldn't the Fed's need to appeal since they were the ones ordered to re-list the wolf?

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#1553411 - 10/10/08 08:15 AM Re: Back on the list [Re: walleye101]
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Whoever was named as the defendant in the suit can appeal. I'd imagine it was the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.
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#1554170 - 10/10/08 07:08 PM Re: Back on the list [Re: stfcatfish]
walleye101 Offline
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The State's role in delisting was to provide management plans for implementation when management authority reverted after delisting. Those plans were approved by the USFWS as part of the delisting process. The MN plan allowed some depredation removal and some common sense measures for protection of personal property (livestock, pets, hunting dogs). The plan had a five year moratorium on sport hunting or trapping seasons.
The feds were the defendants since they had the delisting authority and would need to appeal, or start the delisting process over to address sub-populations within the historical wolf range.
Once that process is completed be assured these groups will file another suit on some other technicality. Prevention by litigation.

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