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#1517103 - 09/07/08 09:50 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: croixflats]
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It is a scientific fact that human life begins when a sperm fertilizes an egg. Once joined, the combination forms a new individual human possessing its own unique genetic code. The chromosomal composition of the newly formed individual remains unchanged whether it is permitted to reach maturity in the form of an infant at nine months or it is terminated prematurely at six weeks.

If an eight-and-half-month-old fetus is a human entitled to legal protection, then why isn't a seven-day-old fetus entitled to the same protection. They both have the same unique genetic composition.
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#1517116 - 09/07/08 09:55 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: NAPAFISH]
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Do you ask a pregnant mother, "How is your fetus?" or do you ask, "How is your baby?"
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#1517122 - 09/07/08 09:58 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: NAPAFISH]
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Originally Posted By: NAPAFISH
It is a scientific fact that human life begins when a sperm fertilizes an egg. Once joined, the combination forms a new individual human possessing its own unique genetic code. The chromosomal composition of the newly formed individual remains unchanged whether it is permitted to reach maturity in the form of an infant at nine months or it is terminated prematurely at six weeks.

If an eight-and-half-month-old fetus is a human entitled to legal protection, then why isn't a seven-day-old fetus entitled to the same protection. They both have the unique genetic composition.


I agree... Life is life, it has a beginning, and an end. If life is terminated by another human being before it has reached it's natural end, that is known as murder.

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#1517123 - 09/07/08 09:59 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: NAPAFISH]
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Let's assume your elderly grandfather is in a coma and you are asked whether to remove life support. Would the morality of your decision be altered if you knew that after nine months(the term of a normal pregnancy), he would regain consciousness and resume a normal life??
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#1517141 - 09/07/08 10:12 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: NAPAFISH]
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Box???


Gotta be Pro-Life to get my vote
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#1517160 - 09/07/08 10:25 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: NAPAFISH]
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I will not debate this! And have no desire to do so. Like I said I respect your opinion. But if you want to debate the tactic of trying to degrade a person on ones beliefs to further ones causes maybe tomorrow but not tonight.
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#1517177 - 09/07/08 10:37 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: croixflats]
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I was just trying to give you some clarity. Everything I have posted is truthful. This is science, not opinion.
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#1517199 - 09/07/08 10:54 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: NAPAFISH]
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Originally Posted By: NAPAFISH
I was just trying to give you some clarity. Everything I have posted is truthful. This is science, not opinion.
This is true science also! The use of a IUD does not stop fertilization it prevents the fertilized egg from attaching to the Ut---Womb. So any IUD used is practicing infantcide in your terms! By the way how many adoptions do you claim? Just to help your cause?
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#1517205 - 09/07/08 10:58 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: NAPAFISH]
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#1517314 - 09/08/08 07:57 AM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: CALVINIST]
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Originally Posted By: CALVINIST
Mccain.

1. He is an honerable man who loves his country. I trust him over Obama anyday.
2. He is for less taxes and less government intrusion into our lives.
3. He has more experience in how the world operates and would be superior in leading the country.
4. He will be tough on America's enemies.
5. He is for the most vulnerable human beings, the unborn child.

Barack on the other hand...

1. Nobody really has a clue about this guy and what he really thinks about America, nor does the media have the balls to ask tough questions about his past dealings, which are much worse and more controversial than anything that the liberal media can dredge up on Palin.
2. He is a Marxist and he is an elitist. He doesn't believe that americans are smart enough to make their own decisions and that the government must make the right decisions for them. Less personal freedom, oppressive taxes, and vastly bigger government will happen if he is prez.
3. He has virtually zero experience in leading anything other than his political campaign.
4. He is a pacifist who will be bullied and manipulated by America's enemies. Our military will suffer under his command.
5. He is for the murder of unborn children calling it a womans right to choose. Even if the abortionist botches the job and the baby is born alive he is all for the execution of that baby. That is an extremely radical position.

The country will fare better under Mccain, but much worse under Obama.



You are correct on everything except for Obama's #3: He has a campaign manager for that.
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#1517340 - 09/08/08 08:15 AM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: NAPAFISH]
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Originally Posted By: NAPAFISH
I am not preaching.

These excerpts are straight from Wikipedia


Look them up your self. Actually that Chode dude said the main stream thing.


Yup, Wikipedia, I saw it on the internet so it must be true....
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#1517943 - 09/08/08 03:37 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: croixflats]
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Originally Posted By: croixflats
I will not debate this! And have no desire to do so. Like I said I respect your opinion. But if you want to debate the tactic of trying to degrade a person on ones beliefs to further ones causes maybe tomorrow but not tonight.


That sums up a presidential election.

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#1518071 - 09/08/08 05:14 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: sparcebag]
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Originally Posted By: sparcebag
Originally Posted By: NAPAFISH
I was just trying to give you some clarity. Everything I have posted is truthful. This is science, not opinion.
This is true science also! The use of a IUD does not stop fertilization it prevents the fertilized egg from attaching to the Ut---Womb. So any IUD used is practicing infantcide in your terms! By the way how many adoptions do you claim? Just to help your cause?


Now you got my attention, What are you asking about adoption? I don't understand the question?

I WILL tell you this about adoption. 8-1/2 years ago my wife and I did the best thing we have ever done in our life and adopted a newborn baby boy.

His mother was incarcerated at the Shakopee womens prison soon after becoming pregnant with him. She could have easily took the easy way out and let the state pay for an abortion, but she did not! She had the personal fortitude and integrity to take responsibility for her own actions. She had this baby and picked 2 very grateful and loving parents to raise it(us). I wish everyone in our society could be this courageous.
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#1518122 - 09/08/08 06:06 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: Big Dave2]
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Originally Posted By: Big Dave2
Originally Posted By: sparcebag
Originally Posted By: NAPAFISH
I was just trying to give you some clarity. Everything I have posted is truthful. This is science, not opinion.
This is true science also! The use of a IUD does not stop fertilization it prevents the fertilized egg from attaching to the Ut---Womb. So any IUD used is practicing infantcide in your terms! By the way how many adoptions do you claim? Just to help your cause?


Now you got my attention, What are you asking about adoption? I don't understand the question?

I WILL tell you this about adoption. 8-1/2 years ago my wife and I did the best thing we have ever done in our life and adopted a newborn baby boy.

His mother was incarcerated at the Shakopee womens prison soon after becoming pregnant with him. She could have easily took the easy way out and let the state pay for an abortion, but she did not! She had the personal fortitude and integrity to take responsibility for her own actions. She had this baby and picked 2 very grateful and loving parents to raise it(us). I wish everyone in our society could be this courageous.


What in the world does this question have to do with anything and who are you talking to? mad That is one of the most, well I won't say it cause I'm not stooping down to your level. Have you ever been through one? Have you ever spent thousands trying to have a child to find out you can't? Have you seen your spouse crying because they don't think they are worthy to be with you because you can't have children together? Have you done any of this? Have you then spent a year or two trying to be selected for a child while having your personal life gone through with a fine tooth comb? Have you then had to take a second mortgage on your home to pay for the adoption? Have you done any of this? mad And you'r asking how many adoptions I have done to "HELP MY CAUSE"? What is this supposed to mean? How many children did you have to "help your cause"? How many children do you have? If you had half a clue you would know that children cost a fortune to raise and you never come out money ahead with a child. How dare you say anyone adopts for financial gain!!! mad I don't believe anyone has a child for any other reason than to have the feeling of love you have for your child and that's for adoption or biological children. That statement made me sick. sick

Please look into the world of adoption before posting something as rediculous as that statement again!!

And ya, that is a subject I take very personal. Sorry about the rant. whistle
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#1518379 - 09/08/08 09:39 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: Sandmannd]
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Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama?

I'm not.

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