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#1516420 - 09/07/08 08:45 AM
Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama
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Registered: 03/21/02
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I will be voting for McCain because I don't want socialized health care. If we go with national/socialized health care, the quality of care will go down and taxes will definitely go up. And believe me some one will have to pay for the plan and that someone will be those that pay taxes. We are already seeing payments from Medicare to Health Care facilities start to decrease now and when payments to the facilities decrease so does follows their ability to provide quality care. We have some of, if not the best health care in the world, why do we want to mess with that? 
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#1516820 - 09/07/08 05:10 PM
Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama
[Re: upnorth]
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Sr HotSpotOutdoors Family
Registered: 01/16/06
Posts: 6727
Loc: St. Paul, MN
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I will be voting for McCain because I don't want socialized health care. If we go with national/socialized health care, the quality of care will go down and taxes will definitely go up. And believe me some one will have to pay for the plan and that someone will be those that pay taxes. We are already seeing payments from Medicare to Health Care facilities start to decrease now and when payments to the facilities decrease so does follows their ability to provide quality care. We have some of, if not the best health care in the world, why do we want to mess with that? Because we want to be more like America Light (I mean Canada).  Ever wonder why our hospitals and clinics are full of poeple from Canada? When I talk to them, they say they can't wait months to see a doctor and it's like that cause of socialized medicine.
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#1516824 - 09/07/08 05:14 PM
Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama
[Re: upnorth]
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Sr IceLeaders Family
Registered: 09/06/03
Posts: 1529
Loc: Plymouth, mn,
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Mccain.
1. He is an honerable man who loves his country. I trust him over Obama anyday. 2. He is for less taxes and less government intrusion into our lives. 3. He has more experience in how the world operates and would be superior in leading the country. 4. He will be tough on America's enemies. 5. He is for the most vulnerable human beings, the unborn child.
Barack on the other hand...
1. Nobody really has a clue about this guy and what he really thinks about America, nor does the media have the balls to ask tough questions about his past dealings, which are much worse and more controversial than anything that the liberal media can dredge up on Palin. 2. He is a Marxist and he is an elitist. He doesn't believe that americans are smart enough to make their own decisions and that the government must make the right decisions for them. Less personal freedom, oppressive taxes, and vastly bigger government will happen if he is prez. 3. He has virtually zero experience in leading anything other than his political campaign. 4. He is a pacifist who will be bullied and manipulated by America's enemies. Our military will suffer under his command. 5. He is for the murder of unborn children calling it a womans right to choose. Even if the abortionist botches the job and the baby is born alive he is all for the execution of that baby. That is an extremely radical position.
The country will fare better under Mccain, but much worse under Obama.
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#1516963 - 09/07/08 07:51 PM
Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 01/10/08
Posts: 599
Loc: Monticello, Mn
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God helps those who help themselves. I hope that isn't above our next presidents pay grade.
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#1516995 - 09/07/08 08:15 PM
Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama
[Re: upnorth]
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Sr IceLeaders Family
Registered: 12/24/00
Posts: 1318
Loc: Mars
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I will be voting for McCain because I don't want socialized health care. I suppose it would be asking too much for some of you folks to post a link where Obama is promoting nationalized health care? OK, it's a trick, he isn't promoting that he's promoting affordable health care. I mean, is it really asking too much for some of us to at least understand a candidates position prior to complaining about something that isn't there? Look, there are other sources of information than EIB network and Faux News. This is straight from his website: "I...believe that every American has the right to affordable health care. I believe that the millions of Americans who can't take their children to a doctor when they get sick have that right...We now face an opportunity - and an obligation - to turn the page on the failed politics of yesterday's health care debates. It's time to bring together businesses, the medical community, and members of both parties around a comprehensive solution to this crisis, and it's time to let the drug and insurance industries know that while they'll get a seat at the table, they don't get to buy every chair." -Barack Obama, Speech in Iowa City, IA, 5/27/07
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#1517023 - 09/07/08 08:40 PM
Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama
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Sr IceLeaders Family
Registered: 04/27/08
Posts: 1359
Loc: Lake St.Croix Beach Minnesota
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God helps those who help themselves. I[quote=CALVINIST]Mccain.
1. He is an honerable man who loves his country. I trust him over Obama anyday. 2. He is for less taxes and less government intrusion into our lives. 3. He has more experience in how the world operates and would be superior in leading the country. 4. He will be tough on America's enemies. 5. He is for the most vulnerable human beings, the unborn child.
Barack on the other hand...
1. Nobody really has a clue about this guy and what he really thinks about America, nor does the media have the balls to ask tough questions about his past dealings, which are much worse and more controversial than anything that the liberal media can dredge up on Palin. 2. He is a Marxist and he is an elitist. He doesn't believe that americans are smart enough to make their own decisions and that the government must make the right decisions for them. Less personal freedom, oppressive taxes, and vastly bigger government will happen if he is prez. 3. He has virtually zero experience in leading anything other than his political campaign. 4. He is a pacifist who will be bullied and manipulated by America's enemies. Our military will suffer under his command. 5. He is for the murder of unborn children calling it a womans right to choose. Even if the abortionist botches the job and the baby is born alive he is all for the execution of that baby. That is an extremely radical position.
The country will fare better under Mccain, but much worse under Obama.
No he is not for murder of an unborn child. He is for the removal of a fetus.
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#1517029 - 09/07/08 08:45 PM
Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 03/17/04
Posts: 1236
Loc: Keeping Kim
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Don't forget everyone infanticide is "mainstream"
Never mind the fact that it violates our inalienable rights.
The term inalienable rights (or unalienable rights) refers to a theoretical set of individual human rights that by their nature cannot be taken away, violated, or transferred from one person to another. They are considered more fundamental than alienable rights, such as rights in a specific piece of property.
Inalienable (Individual) Rights are: natural rights, among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They are the most fundamental set of human rights, natural means not-granted nor conditional. They are applicable only to humans, as the basic necessity of their survival.
Many philosophers and statesmen have designed lists of what they believe to be natural rights; almost all include the right to life and liberty, as these are considered to be the two highest priorities.
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#1517047 - 09/07/08 08:57 PM
Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 01/10/02
Posts: 503
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McCain is the only choice in this election.
If he were a Dem, I would still vote for him.
He's got the experience, a background in making decent choices and decisions, and I believe he will keep moving the country in the correct direction.
Though he is a politician, he's not an empty suit like his competitor.
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#1517058 - 09/07/08 09:05 PM
Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama
[Re: chub]
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HotSpotOutdoors Specialist
Registered: 02/28/03
Posts: 1376
Loc: Stacy, MN
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McCain is the only choice in this election.
If he were a Dem, I would still vote for him.
He's got the experience, a background in making decent choices and decisions, and I believe he will keep moving the country in the correct direction.
Though he is a politician, he's not an empty suit like his competitor. I agree with this statement. I'll vote both sides of the ticket, with whichever candidate for whatever race follows what I feel are the most important issues at the time. I 'personally' like the Palin pick as well, and here's why.... let's see someone learn the job under fire. It's somewhat along the lines of an immersion school. Completely surround the person with issues, they have to learn. I want someone in power that's "outside of the box" or for D.C...."outside the beltway". Besides, it's not that the president has total dictatorship of this country. They surround themselves with aides and the cabinet. Congress is also as much responsible for what happens.
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#1517059 - 09/07/08 09:05 PM
Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama
[Re: chub]
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 03/17/04
Posts: 1236
Loc: Keeping Kim
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I don't believe Barry is an empty suit. I had actually thought he would be a good person to vote for until he selected Joe Biden. He should have selected Harold Ford Jr. He might have gotten my vote. He drags out a dinosaur.
Just imagine an Obama-Ford ticket
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#1517076 - 09/07/08 09:22 PM
Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama
[Re: NAPAFISH]
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Sr IceLeaders Family
Registered: 04/27/08
Posts: 1359
Loc: Lake St.Croix Beach Minnesota
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Don't forget everyone infanticide is "mainstream"
Never mind the fact that it violates our inalienable rights.
The term inalienable rights (or unalienable rights) refers to a theoretical set of individual human rights that by their nature cannot be taken away, violated, or transferred from one person to another. They are considered more fundamental than alienable rights, such as rights in a specific piece of property.
Inalienable (Individual) Rights are: natural rights, among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They are the most fundamental set of human rights, natural means not-granted nor conditional. They are applicable only to humans, as the basic necessity of their survival.
Many philosophers and statesmen have designed lists of what they believe to be natural rights; almost all include the right to life and liberty, as these are considered to be the two highest priorities. dont force your theories or beliefs on me! I respect your beleifs respect mine! I can do without the preaching. It is discusting to try to tie someone to murder just because that person disagrees with yours or anybody elses position on when a life becomes or the right to treat ones own body. Why oh why
Edited by croixflats (09/07/08 09:46 PM)
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#1517080 - 09/07/08 09:27 PM
Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama
[Re: croixflats]
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 03/17/04
Posts: 1236
Loc: Keeping Kim
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I am not preaching.
These excerpts are straight from Wikipedia
Look them up your self. Actually that Chode dude said the main stream thing.
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#1517083 - 09/07/08 09:33 PM
Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama
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Sr IceLeaders Family
Registered: 04/27/08
Posts: 1359
Loc: Lake St.Croix Beach Minnesota
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I am not preaching.
These excerpts are straight from Wikipedia Witch you seem to be tying to abortion and by doing so insinuate an unborn child has life.
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#1517089 - 09/07/08 09:37 PM
Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama
[Re: croixflats]
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Sr IceLeaders Family
Registered: 04/27/08
Posts: 1359
Loc: Lake St.Croix Beach Minnesota
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I'm sorry NAPPAFISH You got caught up in something that erks me to no end.
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