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#1516285 - 09/06/08 10:56 PM Re: George W. Bush [Re: BID2]
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Originally Posted By: BID2
This forum is like a horrible gruesome uneducated train wreck.


In response, those are my feelings on 99.99% of your posts/responses.

( I really lowered my level there huh)
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#1516298 - 09/06/08 11:09 PM Re: George W. Bush [Re: wall_guy_101]
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Originally Posted By: wall_guy_101
Originally Posted By: BID2
This forum is like a horrible gruesome uneducated train wreck.


In response, those are my feelings on 99.99% of your posts/responses.

( I really lowered my level there huh)


OUCH!
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#1516300 - 09/06/08 11:11 PM Re: George W. Bush [Re: stfcatfish]
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In the words of fighter and bomber pilots that hit their target, splash.

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#1516301 - 09/06/08 11:12 PM Re: George W. Bush [Re: stfcatfish]
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So WG101, I don't want to put words in your mouth.

I am gathering the sole reason you feel GWB is a great President is because we were attacked on 9/11 and he ordered the invasion of Iraq???

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#1516307 - 09/06/08 11:23 PM Re: George W. Bush [Re: Big Tom]
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Originally Posted By: Big Tom

I am gathering the sole reason you feel GWB is a great President is because we were attacked on 9/11 and he ordered the invasion of Iraq???


A twist to my post, albeit slight , but a twist none the less. I feel that he did what was asked of him at the time and has shown reslove in trying to maintain the security that is needed now and in the future. I'm saying that too much of the negativity, from economics, energy, war policy and national security is falling solely onto his shoulders. What i'm also saying is that there tends to be a knee jerk reaction to a situation if it isn't going perfectly at this present time. I'm saying that over time, say ten,twenty, maybe fifty years from now, hindsight will be put into consideration and hindsight will show that his policies were for the overall common good of the people. (atleast as he see's it) Which again, as we all know, dosen't always please everyone!
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#1516308 - 09/06/08 11:28 PM Re: George W. Bush [Re: LMITOUT]
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Originally Posted By: LMITOUT
In the words of fighter and bomber pilots that hit their target, splash.


Shouldn't it be boom?
( I think I drank to many redbulls tonight)
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#1516310 - 09/06/08 11:30 PM Re: George W. Bush [Re: wall_guy_101]
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Bombs go boom, pilots say splash. smile

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#1516313 - 09/06/08 11:38 PM Re: George W. Bush [Re: LMITOUT]
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wink
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#1516351 - 09/07/08 04:38 AM Re: George W. Bush [Re: wall_guy_101]
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Wow, some heaving hitting out there on this thread. smirk

I don't think he will ever be known as a "great" pres. Too many people hate him and like you said, blame him for what's wrong in their lives. I agree that no other president has had to ever deal with an attack like he had (course there are those that believe it was a consperisy). I've said it before, he will never be known as the best, but I don't think he was all that bad either.
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#1516369 - 09/07/08 06:59 AM Re: George W. Bush [Re: wall_guy_101]
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Well just off the top of my head I can say this about the thread topic:

Bush Pro's:
- Best president since Clinton

Bush Cons:
- His handling of hurricane Katrina
- His role in the Valerie Plame leak.
- The deterioration of the Iraq situation.
- Reintroducing torture
- Calling the Constitution a “Goddamned piece of paper”
- The Patriot act
- Setting in place a domestic set of policies that are decimating the middle class, or conversely, creating an aristocracy
- Polls showing 81% of Americans believing he’s taken the country on the wrong track
- History News Network’s poll of 109 historians found that 61 percent of them rank Bush as “worst ever” among U.S. presidents.
- Totally destroyed any goodwill we had with the rest of the world
- Under Bushes leadership, or lack thereof, we have seen China become the manufacturing powerhouse of the next century, India becoming the worlds high tech leader, and Europe surpasing us as having the best quality of life.

And this all happening because Bush is spending all our money, and then some, on an ill conceived and poorly planned war.
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#1516385 - 09/07/08 07:31 AM Re: George W. Bush [Re: Kidd]
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But Kidd he did say he wanted to be known as a WAR President!
Isnt Iraq the only declaired war since WWII

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#1516481 - 09/07/08 09:48 AM Re: George W. Bush [Re: wall_guy_101]
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In my opinion with my liberterian leanings this guy has been a disaster. Big Gov't with big spending along with all the religious stuff being pushed.
From the beginning I don't think he really wanted the job. The story I read was that a bunch of republican thinking "we need a presidential candidate" and he kind of got it by default. He had a name and he could raise money. His brother had promised FL that he wouldn't run or something like that. Sometimes I just kind of think he is a "useful idiot".
We had Sadaam pretty much contained and did not need to go into Iraq. But he had one of his utopian ideas, "that we could bring democracy to the mideast". When we failed to make progress, it was stay the course. Now we appear weak, empowered Iran, and got a good chunk of the world miffed at us.
On the economy he pretty much let the corporate world run amock. Jobs outsourced, and if they couldn't be outsourced, just look the other way while illegal aliens sneak into this country and drive down wages and working conditions for regular folks. Of course, we couldn't let grandma go to Canada to get her prescription filled. We couldn't re-import those drugs either. But of course, now we wake up and read about contaminated drugs from China (Heperin). He grew Gov't like it hasn't grown since LBJ's great society. What ever happened to states rights? (No child left behind and fighting the states that want to allow medical marijuana). We have moved toward socialism. With all the bailouts we have socialized risk. How long will it be before we socialize profit, much more than we do now?
I feel I could go on a bunch more. I have gotten the feeling that for quite a while he hasn't been interested in doing much more than marking off days on his short-timers calender till he can go back to Texas to clear out underbrush on the ranch.
I apologize to everyone for voting for him in 2000. If Jeb Bush gets anywhere near Iowa or New Hampshire I am going to scream.

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#1516482 - 09/07/08 09:51 AM Re: George W. Bush [Re: wall_guy_101]
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Originally Posted By: wall_guy_101
Here's my most specific point.

From almost the beginning of his presidency a situation occured that has never occured before, by an enemy that is to cowardly to attack us full force. I believe he made it his reslove to do everything within his power to quell this enemy with whatever resources necessary and wherever they may be. And he has done a GREAT job!


The last I checked it was bin laden who claimed resposibility for the attacks on our country,not sadam hussein. Don't get me wrong I think it is great that we got sadam but don't you think Bush went into Iraq to finish a war that his Daddy couldn't. Don't you think we should be looking for the bin laden, who in my opinion is the real enemy.

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#1516499 - 09/07/08 10:24 AM Re: George W. Bush [Re: westb]
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Why would anyone create a thread with such an inflammatory title?

wink

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#1516505 - 09/07/08 10:33 AM Re: George W. Bush [Re: candiru]
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Excellent post Candiru. Now we're taking over Fanny and Freddie. S&L bailout round 2. I'm sorry, this is not conservativism. I'll take Ron Paul's version

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