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#1516017 - 09/06/08 05:05 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: Hammer Handle]
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Originally Posted By: Hammer Handle
McCain.

For he is the better of the two bad candidates....


I'm right there with ya Hammer.
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#1516023 - 09/06/08 05:14 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: Roofer]
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Originally Posted By: Roofer
Woof! edgy people. I will take back my statement. I guess I am just not educated enough to have a conversation here. Makes you wonder though, doesn't it.......There are MANY MANY people out there who vote and have no idea at all what they are even voting for.


I was confused about what you wrote Roofer. I like what Limit wrote and I hope that was your reasoning. Things can get taken waaaaaay out of context when you're typing as well. Had it happen to me more than a few times.
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#1516036 - 09/06/08 05:28 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: Sandmannd]
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Well I came in here to see 30 plus more posts that I thought where different members sharing their idea’s on who they are going to vote for, but nope. Same old same old.

This is a straight forward thread. I can understand why no more FM’ers are posting. Who would want their personal beliefs critiqued by other people that have no idea from where they are coming from.

Like said before, there are a hand full of other threads rolling now you can argue your points in, please leave this thread for those who care to share their idea’s on who and why they are voting for. Better yet, you have an idea or something, start your own thread. smile

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#1516042 - 09/06/08 05:49 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: shackbash]
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I concur. I would ad to my reason of support of Obama.
Is his approach to foreign policy. To try to fix relations and take the pitbull aspect out of it. And also understanding the need to communicate with others in adverse times.
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#1516044 - 09/06/08 05:51 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: croixflats]
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Originally Posted By: croixflats
I concur. I would ad to my reason of support of Obama.
Is his approach to foreign policy. To try to fix relations and take the pitbull aspect out of it. And also understanding the need to communicate with others in adverse times.


On the flip side, I like McCain for saying "For the countries that we are giving 700 billion dollars a year to that don't like us, we need to stop that". Now that's what I wanted to hear. You don't like us, then you get no money.
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#1516057 - 09/06/08 06:21 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: Sandmannd]
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Simple choice for me,Joe Biden has one goal in life,that is too take private ownership of firearms away..........sorry no vote for the Obama ticket!
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#1516162 - 09/06/08 09:12 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: caseymcq]
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Originally Posted By: caseymcq
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Makes you wonder how anyone with any brains would EVER vote Democrat, doesn't it?


Makes you wonder how anyone with any brains would type up and pass on such garbage. It is the same mindless B.S. that is spewed on Limbaugh, Hannity and Savage.

My freedom of speech was no more infringed upon under the last Democrat president as it has been for the last eight years (none).

I had no more difficulty purchasing fire arms when Clinton was in office than I have when Bush was in office and even despite the "sky is falling" mentality that drummed up similar garbage two years ago when the Dems took control of the house I have not had any of my guns taken away from me.

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I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending my money than I would.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.


It is funny that under the last Democrat president the rich got richer (despite all that money he took from them) and the economy did well.

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I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.


This is just dumb because no one thinks this way. The "bad guys" won't stop what they're doing if the U.S. Military pulls out of Iraq and here is a news flash... the "bad guys" won't stop what they are doing if the U.S. Military stays in Iraq. Not all of the bad guys are in Iraq.

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I'm voting Democrat because I believe that when the terrorists don't have to hide from us over there, and when they come over here...


What political party did the president belong to on August 6, 2001? What political party did the president belong to on September 11, 2001?


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I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.


Yup, it is a shame to take more money to pay for roads and bridges a majority of us use rather than line to pockets of a few people.

If some of the point of this email was to point out hypocrasy why didn't in include the fact that the Republican, compasionate CONSERVATIVE president for the last seven years has allowed the national debt to balloon to over $9 trillion. The liberal tax and spend president before him actually saw budget surplusses rather than budget deficits. The national debt went up less than $2 trillion under Clinton and has gone up nearly $4 trillion under Bush.

This type of email would be fine it people took it for what it was, a jab, and said "Yeah, that's funny," no matter if it was Dems taking a shot at Repubs or Repubs taking a shot at Dems. But unfortunately there are those who take it at face value and don't take the time to think critically about it and ask the question "Why would some one say this and what is there to back it up?" Instead there are those with a less than stellar intellect who believe in is entirely true and then base their vote on it.

If I sound a little peeved it is because I am. It is an election year, a big one, and this kind of garbage doesn't discuss the real issues and it doesn't add to the debate of who makes a better candidate for any office. I don't care whose 17 year-old daughter is pregnant. I don't care whose middle name is over emphasized in an attempt to generate a false impression of his choice of religion in order to instill fear. I don't care whose wife has made a bunch of money on beer.


Geeez....did that strike a nerve or what? grin Don't have to take someone else's opinions on politics quite that serious crazy
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#1516269 - 09/06/08 10:38 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: Sandmannd]
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Originally Posted By: Sandmannd
On the flip side, I like McCain for saying "For the countries that we are giving 700 billion dollars a year to that don't like us, we need to stop that". Now that's what I wanted to hear. You don't like us, then you get no money.


Why are we giving any of them money again?

From Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty Mission statement,

"With our Founding Fathers, we also believe in a noninterventionist foreign policy. Inspired by the old Robert Taft wing of the Republican Party, we are convinced that the American people cannot remain free and prosperous with 700 military bases around the world, troops in 130 countries, and a steady diet of war propaganda. Our military overstretch is undermining our national defense and bankrupting our country."

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#1516295 - 09/06/08 11:05 PM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: upnorth]
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I'm not usually one to jump into these left vs right peeing matches down here. Not alot of thoughtful "discussion" mostly a bunch of pretty entrenched folks shooting back and forth....not really my thing, but it's an uncommonly slow night at work so here's my .02 worth.....
I have long been a John Mcain fan. I was supporting him in the 2000 primaries and thought he'd be just the guy to restore order and dignity to the office.This fellow was'nt like most other politicians. He spoke in a straightforward candid manner. Even the "liberal media" liked this guy for his ability to answer questions honestly and with disregard for who's toes he stepped on. Alas the Bushies whacked him and I eventually bought the "I'm a uniter, not a divider line and gave W. my vote.

In w.s' first term the Republicans piled on the pork and not once did w. lift his veto pen. The mismanagement of this war and other things really got to me. The most serious of all is the morally reprehensible act of putting this whole war on the "VISA CARD". Our grandparents generation beat down the furor, the emporer and the wops. Then they rebuilt Europe and Japan and THEY DIDN'T LEAVE US THE TAB!!! The whole nation was called upon to sacrifice.We should all be ashamed.
In 2003, I contributed to some draft Mcain organization. (note to self, never give up name and address when making a contribution of any kind)....Mcain, instead of stepping up, spent the 2004 campaign season going around the country hugging W. and telling us how he leads with "moral clarity"....the straight talk express then detoured off to crazytown and my hero John started cozying up to the far right bible thumping wackos...I was heartsick...and now instead of picking a veep than can help with the economy,like Tpaw, my hero John makes the totally political decision to run with what looks like the naughty librarian from an 80's porn flick.....
My one time hero John Mcain is dead to me now....I'm not a big Obama fan, there were much better choices among the Dems, and I'm not talking about Hilary, but, yeh, I'm gonna roll the dice and hope he brings some bright minds like Chuck Hagel and others into his administration.

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#1516321 - 09/07/08 12:01 AM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: upnorth]
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Originally Posted By: upnorth
Geeez....did that strike a nerve or what? grin Don't have to take someone else's opinions on politics quite that serious crazy


upnorth, you're right, it struck a nerve and I apologize for coming off the way I did. I was wrong. It wasn't all what you posted that struck the nerve. It is more so that some one(not you) would read something like that and then say that it is that type of unsubstantiated information would be why would vote a certain way rather than saying "So and so's policy X which would do Y and result in Z is why I would or would not vote for them."

A good example would be if I said, "I am not voting for Nader because he is an environmental wacko." Yeah, I have said why I am not voting for him but it really lacks substance and is IMHO dumb. What would be more meaningful is if I said, "One of the reasons I am not voting for Nader is because he is against nuclear energy which would not allow construction of nuclear power plants and would result in more limited options for ways of generating electricity."
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#1516340 - 09/07/08 02:02 AM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: caseymcq]
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As a New Testament Christian, I have to follow the path of love, tolerance, grace and humility. Jesus was the ultimate Liberal, a socialist even. Greed, avarice, and xenophobia are our worst failings, and the underpinning characteristics of conservative politics. Very few republicans will fit through that needle's eye. Democrats are far from divine, yet definitely closer to the path. Obama for me.

I know most of you will cry foul for bringing religion to the voting booth, but the spiritual should guide us all throughout the whole of life, especially the body politic.
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#1516372 - 09/07/08 07:06 AM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: caseymcq]
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Registered: 03/21/02
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Casey, I posted it because there is some humor in it and because it has some truth to it. Was it a little obnoxious pointed at one side, yes, but it was not mean nor false, little exaggeration? yes but not right false.

Personally I don't agree with the whole republican stance, but I agree less with the the democratic stance. I am leaning to independent this election cuz I don't really like either candidate of the big two and can't stand just voting against one or the lesser of the two evils.


Edited by upnorth (09/07/08 07:31 AM)
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#1516374 - 09/07/08 07:12 AM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: copperjohn]
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Originally Posted By: copperjohn
I know most of you will cry foul for bringing religion to the voting booth, but the spiritual should guide us all throughout the whole of life, especially the body politic.

As is my case, I will vote for whomever I choose based on my set of requirements. If yours are religious based, than so be it. It is your set of requirements and what you should be voting on.

I have no problems, and I would hope most of us don't, with people voting based on religion, conservation, war or peace.

Good luck and may all your votes be for winners. smile
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#1516397 - 09/07/08 07:57 AM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: Kidd]
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I will be voting for McCain because I don't want socialized health care. I have a daughter that was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis four years ago. We were able to choose her neurologist based on his experience treating children (very rare). My husband was diagnosed with MS in June, just days after his 40th birthday. We also chose which neuro he would see based on our previous experience. We are self employed, so we pay for our own health insurance. Without the competition between doctors and health insurance providers, we would not be getting the type of care either of them need.

I am afraid that with socialized medicine, my daughter may not get the needed treatment when she relapses, and therefore would lose not only her functions, but her dreams for her future. If my husband cannot get the needed treatment, who will do the farming? When an MS patient relapses, time is of the essence. If we are put on a waiting list, we lose the ability to limit nerve damage.

Yeah, it weighs heavy on my mind.

I will be voting for McCain because I believe it should be up to the people to help the poor, the hungry, the jobless. I never once read in the Bible that Jesus said to leave the social caring up to the government. grin He admonished his followers to do that. I believe that private groups are more efficient in how they care for those in need, and are more in tune with what the actual needs are. There are very good places out there already that are caring for the less fortunate in a very effective way without the governments help.

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#1516404 - 09/07/08 08:12 AM Re: Why are you voting for for McCain or Obama [Re: Kidd]
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Registered: 02/05/07
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I was going to respond nicely to Copperjohn as his response seemed, well, holy. I gave it second thought and moved on. I clicked right into this response on the other thread.

Wonder if that's how Sara "Pothead Palin" see's her new boss's wife? Can't wait until the media digs up all the stoner stories from her past bogart buddies. Cheech and Chong in "The Road From Alaska."

I call foul! And now say this is why there should be a separation of church and state.

In regard to this topic:

I was not headstrong on voting for McCain until it became McCain/Palin. Then I started listening more and will contiue to listen as much as I can. And I couldn't care less if she looks like a naughty libraian. wink

What I've heard from McCain I have to say and a couple things took me aback but overall, this guy has earned the right to lead this country IMO. And I personally DO like the idea of reaching across party lines to find win/win solutions to our problems without worrying about who gets the credit.

I've read most of these political threads and find stubborness and obsession and ridicule in all of them. Poitics....there the same at every level.

I'm going outside now.

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