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#1513344 - 09/04/08 10:26 AM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
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Registered: 02/03/05
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I agree with most of what's being said here. Hunting within the confines of the law is a must if you want to be a true (ethical) hunter.
I for one cannot see how hunting baited deer is true hunting, but that's just me. Others may see it different.
I also feel that guided hunts don't necessarily make a preson a true hunter. The guide.....yes, I'd say in these situations, the guide is the true hunter and the shooter is just along for the ride as all he/she has to do is pull the trigger or release the arrow. The true hunting effort is done by the guide though.
Pheasant hunts where the birds are raised and then released into a field where shortly thereafter, people go out and bang away at them. That's about as lame as hunting fenced-in deer IMO.
I also feel a true hunter is one who learns the specie that he/she is persuing. Whether it be waterfowl, deer, elk, moose, pheasants, turkey, etc. Learning the call, learning the habitat, learning the conditions, learning the patterns and tendencies....all the efforts that go into understanding the specie being hunted makes for a more true hunter. Something like this takes time and experience, and in no way makes a young hunter any less of a true hunter.
I also think a true hunter is one who, no matter how difficult or how poor the hunting may be, they stay at it and work to make it better. I feel a true hunter even cherishes a bad day in the field or on the water as there is so much more to take from an outing or experience then just shooting what you persue.
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#1513505 - 09/04/08 12:24 PM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
[Re: eyepatrol]
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IceLeaders Family
Registered: 11/28/04
Posts: 205
Loc: SE MN
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I agree with a lot of what has been said, but I would also add that a true hunter supports conservation efforts when ever possible.
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#1513559 - 09/04/08 01:16 PM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
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Sr HotSpotOutdoors Family
Registered: 02/03/05
Posts: 4279
Loc: Southcentral, MN
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Excellent point! I totally agree with that!
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#1513575 - 09/04/08 01:36 PM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
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IceLeaders Family
Registered: 04/17/08
Posts: 189
Loc: Hudson, WI
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Good Post!!!
A hunter is a person who abides by the laws both ethical, humane and federal/state game laws. Also a person WHO DOESN'T BAIT GAME like deer. You actaully have to HUNT the game not entice them with food 30-yards from your stand for several weeks prior to season. That's not hunting in my mind, you need to go in the games habitat, learn their travel routes, food/water sources, bedding areas and use the wind to the hunters advantage and try to outsmart the game, then finally take the game as humanely and quickly as possible. I can't stand baiters except of course bear hunters. Just my opinion.
I agree with everything you've said about deer hunting. I'm not a bear hunter, so I won't comment about that. We own 40 acres (surrounded by county land) in the blue hills by Rice Lake, WI. Since the baiting craze, we have seen less and less deer each year. Our camp scouts the deer habits/bedding areas etc. each season and primarily still hunt. Yes, actually getting out and walk miles in the hard woods/small swamps. We're tired of seeing huge piles of corn and 4wheelers driving up and down old logging trails only to see these "hunters" park in front of corn piles. 4wheelers can be used a tool in the woods (dragging deer or people that have a hard time because of age or injury), but not as your only means of transportion. If you're healthy, get out and walk in the woods! If they banned baiting, our camp would be very happy. There have been farms with corn and other crops around us for years, but we have always seen deer because we actually get out and hunt. The corn piles/4wheelers in the woods have changed that. Just my/our opinion as well.
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#1513797 - 09/04/08 03:56 PM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
[Re: eyepatrol]
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Sr HotSpotOutdoors Family
Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 2593
Loc: New Ulm, MN, USA
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I agree with most of what's being said here. Hunting within the confines of the law is a must if you want to be a true (ethical) hunter.
I for one cannot see how hunting baited deer is true hunting, but that's just me. Others may see it different.
I also feel that guided hunts don't necessarily make a preson a true hunter. The guide.....yes, I'd say in these situations, the guide is the true hunter and the shooter is just along for the ride as all he/she has to do is pull the trigger or release the arrow. The true hunting effort is done by the guide though.
Pheasant hunts where the birds are raised and then released into a field where shortly thereafter, people go out and bang away at them. That's about as lame as hunting fenced-in deer IMO.
I also feel a true hunter is one who learns the specie that he/she is persuing. Whether it be waterfowl, deer, elk, moose, pheasants, turkey, etc. Learning the call, learning the habitat, learning the conditions, learning the patterns and tendencies....all the efforts that go into understanding the specie being hunted makes for a more true hunter. Something like this takes time and experience, and in no way makes a young hunter any less of a true hunter.
I also think a true hunter is one who, no matter how difficult or how poor the hunting may be, they stay at it and work to make it better. I feel a true hunter even cherishes a bad day in the field or on the water as there is so much more to take from an outing or experience then just shooting what you persue. What he said. One thing to add though is that A "True" hunter is always willing to help out someone new to the sport, knowing that is the only way to keep the tradition alive.
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#1513837 - 09/04/08 04:25 PM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
[Re: eyepatrol]
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 01/19/06
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Loc: janesville, mn.
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I also feel that guided hunts don't necessarily make a preson a true hunter. The guide.....yes, I'd say in these situations, the guide is the true hunter and the shooter is just along for the ride as all he/she has to do is pull the trigger or release the arrow. The true hunting effort is done by the guide though. If this is true than no one with a good bird dog can call themselves a true hunter due to the fact that the dog does all the work and you only shoot the flushed bird! Does this apply to guided fishing trips as well?
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#1513843 - 09/04/08 04:27 PM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
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Sr HotSpotOutdoors Family
Registered: 02/03/05
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Loc: Southcentral, MN
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I see where you're trying to go with this and realize what you're trying to do, but I'm not going to go there.
What I said, I said about guided hunting and nothing more. And I'll leave it at that.
Edited by eyepatrol (09/04/08 04:32 PM)
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#1513852 - 09/04/08 04:37 PM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
[Re: eyepatrol]
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 01/19/06
Posts: 968
Loc: janesville, mn.
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I'm not trying to go anywhere with it. I am just saying some people may use a guide to learn how to hunt a new species or area which you aren't fimiliar with! Alot like the same reason people use fishing guides. Also like fishing guides a hunting guide will be better at teaching selective harvest of the species in the area were a person just going at it on there own may not be aware of how there choice of animal to harvest may affect the local population. If a person is hiring a guide to try and learn how to become a better hunter or "true hunter" I think no less of them.
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#1513862 - 09/04/08 04:44 PM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
[Re: PDOGG]
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Sr HotSpotOutdoors Family
Registered: 02/03/05
Posts: 4279
Loc: Southcentral, MN
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If a person is hiring a guide to try and learn how to become a better hunter or "true hunter" I think no less of them. That point of view I can agree with.
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#1514373 - 09/05/08 05:25 AM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
[Re: eyepatrol]
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HotSpotOutdoors Family
Registered: 08/14/08
Posts: 98
Loc: Albert Lea
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Here is my .02 I think its anyone that hunts or fishes and does it by the law, and loves the sport. A "true" hunter or fisherman doesn't have to lie about what he shot over the season, a true sportsman doesnt have to have the most expensive equipment to have some of the best hunts or fishing in his lifetime. A "true" hunter or fisherman will make it out in all weather conditions to pursue what he loves.
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#1514595 - 09/05/08 09:11 AM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
[Re: morefishplease]
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 12/13/04
Posts: 473
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
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I agree with PDOGG statements about guiding. I really want to hunt Caribou at some point in my life. I don't have the time to travel to Canada to scout, pattern herds, etc. I will hire an ethical guide who will assist me in my Caribou dream.
If the roles were reversed and this guide wanted to hunt pheasants in North Dakota where I have been hunting the last 5 years, I would be able to take him to the spots I have found through experience depending upon conditions just as he did for me.
A true hunter uses the resources alotted to him/her, is ethical, supports conservation, enjoys his/her surroundings, introduces other to new experiences, and takes the desired wild animal with an admiration and appreciation for that animal.
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#1515029 - 09/05/08 02:48 PM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
[Re: PDOGG]
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HotSpotOutdoors Family
Registered: 05/22/06
Posts: 84
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i think the anyone saying that if you go on a guided hunt you are not a hunter. Well maybe he has never went on one to see that it is truly a hunt. a lot of self rightous people on this sight. Why dont you worry if you are a hunter or not and leave it at that. I dont care how hard someone worked for a deer, we all have worked hard, we just dont sit here and tell everyone how great we are and we are the only ones consider hunters. Go on a guided hunt out west, when you get done after 5 days and are totally wiped out, learned a thing or two about hunting, alot of things you learn on a guided hunt i never thought about before, but you do help spot and the stalk is pretty much of to the guy with the gun. Self righteous people p_ss me off more than anyone. the pheasant game farm, I am one of them and I go whenever i get invited, its a blast, great for training young dogs and improving shooting skills for young hunters. I will tell all the guys i know that go on guided hunts they are not hunters, believe it or not most will say who cares, lifes to short to cares and all you true hunters dont break your arm patting yourselves on your backs this hunting season. See you on the game farm or maybe not. If you have the chance gotta try then give your opinion.
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#1515083 - 09/05/08 03:26 PM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
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Sr IceLeaders Family
Registered: 02/17/04
Posts: 2057
Loc: Long Prairie, MN, USA
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I'm with you southwest. I've hunted pheasants on a game farm a few times when invited. Is it the same as wild bird hunting? No not really. Is it still hunting? Yes I don't particularly enjoy pheasant hunting, but to go to a game farm every couple of years I enjoy. Would I want to pay for it myself? No Would I want to pay the money to go hunt deer in a fenced in area? No
I agree that everybody's idea of a "true" hunter undoubtedly varies, but if it's legal & not dangerous it needs to be okay. There's just going to be hunters you want to hunt with & others you don't based on styles & preferences.
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#1518811 - 09/09/08 08:25 AM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
[Re: bigbucks]
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HotSpotOutdoors Family
Registered: 12/02/03
Posts: 280
Loc: Monticello, Mn, USA
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A hunter is my Uncle, the one that taught me how to hunt some 40 years ago, How to read the woods, smell the smells, Wait for the best shot for a clean kill, how to track a wounded animal even if it takes you 3 days because I missed my mark. How to sit and enjoy the moment even if it;s the old hollow stump when nature calls. How to respect the land and most importantly, How to pass this along.
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#1519255 - 09/09/08 01:31 PM
Re: What constitutes a "True" hunter?
[Re: machohorn]
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HotSpotOutdoors Family
Registered: 04/04/01
Posts: 87
Loc: Hines, MN, USA
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Hunting is such a personal thing. Some only bow hunt, others muzzleloader. Some only birds some only big game. Some only hunt on their own land, some all over the world. Hunting is about making a connection with nature. Some would add making a connection with other hunters. Hunting is a true human endevour, and those who don't are not living up to their fullest potential. So hunting cannot be about the kill, but it is about the opportunity for the kill.
Our government and customs decide what is legal and ethical. For any of us to debate what doesn't effect us personally is a disservice to all hunters.
Let's keep it simple take a kid or a parent or grandparent with you and please be safe and have fun!
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