Scientific data...

Look at all that data on Global Warming. Remember that topic? Where did it go? But we had so much data.

I will give you that there may be some adverse affects of lead, just like there are some adverse affects to lots of other things in the outdoors. The world is an amazing place and much too often we over estimate the presence of mankind.

Face it, there is a large number of liberals that would prefers to see fishing and hunting banned altogether. Now THAT is a fact.

Well said. Anyone remember the old bit by Carlin I think, about plastic? LOL

Here it is.....


Carlin.

We're so self-important. So self-important. Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. What? Are these [badWordUsage] people kidding me? Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another, we're gonna save the [badWordUsage] planet?

[PoorWordUsage][PoorWordUsage][PoorWordUsage] about the planet. They don't care about the planet. Not in the abstract they don't. Not in the abstract they don't. You know what they're interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They're worried that some day in the future, they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn't impress me.

Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are [badWordUsage]. Difference. Difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We've been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we've only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we're a threat? That somehow we're gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just a-floatin' around the sun?

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles...hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages...And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet...the planet...the planet isn't going anywhere. WE ARE!

[PoorWordUsage], folks. We're going away. And we won't leave much of a trace, either. Thank God for that. Maybe a little styrofoam. Maybe. A little styrofoam. The planet'll be here and we'll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance.

You wanna know how the planet's doing? Ask those people at Pompeii, who are frozen into position from volcanic ash, how the planet's doing. You wanna know if the planet's all right, ask those people in Mexico City or Armenia or a hundred other places buried under thousands of tons of earthquake rubble, if they feel like a threat to the planet this week. Or how about those people in Kilowaia, Hawaii, who built their homes right next to an active volcano, and then wonder why they have lava in the living room.

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn't share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, "Why are we here?" Plastic...[badWordUsage].

So, the plastic is here, our job is done, we can be phased out now. And I think that's begun. Don't you think that's already started? I think, to be fair, the planet sees us as a mild threat. Something to be dealt with. And the planet can defend itself in an organized, collective way, the way a beehive or an ant colony can. A collective defense mechanism. The planet will think of something. What would you do if you were the planet? How would you defend yourself against this troublesome, pesky species? Let's see... Viruses. Viruses might be good. They seem vulnerable to viruses. And, uh...viruses are tricky, always mutating and forming new strains whenever a vaccine is developed. Perhaps, this first virus could be one that compromises the immune system of these creatures. Perhaps a human immunodeficiency virus, making them vulnerable to all sorts of other diseases and infections that might come along. And maybe it could be spread sexually, making them a little reluctant to engage in the act of reproduction.

Well, that's a poetic note. And it's a start. And I can dream, can't I? See I don't worry about the little things: bees, trees, whales, snails. I think we're part of a greater wisdom than we will ever understand. A higher order. Call it what you want. Know what I call it? The Big Electron. The Big Electron...whoooa. Whoooa. Whoooa. It doesn't punish, it doesn't reward, it doesn't judge at all. It just is. And so are we. For a little while.

I love Carlin...RIP

Give me a break.

Here's your break.

Fishing Hurts Dot Org

Check it out

Here I'll help you.

Straight from their website:



What’s wrong with catch-and-release fishing?
Have you ever seen an injured dog who has been hit by a car or a cat who’s been seriously hurt in a fight? Unless they are treated by a veterinarian, these animals are likely to die from their injuries. Fish are no different: A hook through the mouth causes a serious and extremely painful injury that is often fatal without treatment. But anglers just toss injured fish back into the water—often without realizing what they’ve done.

In addition to the wounds that are caused by the hook, fish released after being caught can suffer from loss of their protective scale coating, dangerous build-up of lactic acid in their muscles, oxygen depletion, and damage to their delicate fins and mouths. Upon being returned to the water, these fish are easy targets for predators and other fishers. Researchers at the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation found that as many as 43 percent of fish released after being caught died within six days. Catching fish is cruel and unnecessary, whether they are killed on the spot or thrown back into the water, injured and exhausted.

Nice link. Look up in the upper right corner... what is that you see??

I hardly consider those PETA types a "large number of liberals".

This is fearmongering. Vote for a dem and fishing and hunting will get banned. Vote for a dem and all our guns will taken away. Fearmongering, plain and simple.

dtro- with any very large group, you can make a similar statement to some extent. Maybe not hunting and fishing.. but after listening to the speaches last night. One could say, That there are large number of Conservatives that dont care about Public Education.

I personally dont feel that PETA people are democrats/liberals, they are raticals. But then again, thats just my opinion.

Here is another.

http://www.hsus.org/about_us/

I never said that a Dem controlled Govt would have any part of these groups. But who do you think they will be voting for

Then again I never thought they would do a lot of things. Like banning lead tackle, which you are saying is pretty much a done deal.

I have an idea. Everyone that thinks lead is so bad, get together, pool you great knowledge and money, and come up with comparable product (price and performance). When you get that all lined up, let me know. I promise I will dump all my lead and get on board.

Deitz, I hear ya, but Public Education/Politcs is a very sore subject in my house right now.

Not Obama, I have seen pictures of him eating meat. There is not a candidate whacked-out enough for them to vote for, so they will sit around in their grungy t-shirts and plan their next round of domestic terrorism.



It is an inevitability that lead will get banned. I think there is already great knowledge and money going in to alternative products, but they just aren't there yet. I agree with you, when they come around I'll switch.

I just don't see why people are so against the idea of changing to a non-toxic alternative simply because they don't think enough animals die from toxic product and they don't agree with any law that might somehow or someway infringe on their god-given right to not a wear a seatbelt.

PETA people are democrats. At least 99% of them. and if the democrats don't agree with PETA, they should speak out against them in public, and distance themselves from their party.

When was the last time there was a democrat / liberal rally or speaking event, was protested by PETA? PETA agains Obama? It never will happen.

Deitz- Last night the conservatives asked to give the decision making power and choices to the parents and students, not the unions and teachers. How can twist that to = a large number of conservatism do care about public educations?

The resistance is not to change, at least in my case, I don't want to have to spend more $ for something that is worse.