Jigs and minnows or shallow running crank baits in the evenings is best.

is there a "giude line" for jig weights?

I don't really fish those lakes or even know them very well, but my guess is the fish are more weedline fish and less mid-lake structure fish. Look for steep breaks, especially steep breaks that come up to weeds. Jig/minnow on the weedline, crankbaits on the weedline, jigs/big minnows down the steeper breaks when we actually get to fall and cooler water (and bigger baitfish and young-of-the-year fish. Shallow is good in the fall, but it's not fall yet, and since you're fishing the middle of the day, I'd stay on deep weedlines or deeper.

could some one e-mail me the colors relating to moon phase as Borch is talking about?
adrenilinseeker20@yahoo.com

I think Borch is talking about crankbait colors for after dark. The general rule of thumb that I follow is dark night = dark baits, bright night = bright baits, broken light = the in-between colors, and if you have 2 or 3 lines in the water then one of them should probably start with firetiger.

I've never thought that color matters much for jigging. I like bright colors, especially in stained water. Glows, chartruese, white, etc. If that doesn't work then try black or pink. If nothing is working then mix it up if it makes you feel better.

I neglected to mention this in my previous post, but if you're jigging in the fall you can use plastics, especially as the water cools (it has 20+ degrees to go still). Color choices get more complex when you're talking plastics vs. just a jighead, but I'd look at them as bright colors or dark/natural colors.... I wouldn't make it any more complex than that to start. If you find that brights or naturals are working for you, then maybe expand your colors in that area. But I really don't think you need to sweat the color choice that much for jigging, even with plastics.

i've recently started a fishing log in a note book because i fish so much that i'm starting to forget some things and i am putting together patterns like mad . so thanks for all the info. I wanna get a new avitar before the ice is up!

Use the lightest jig you can and still be comfortable with feeling the bottom well. If your not feeling bottom well go bigger. If your drifting you dont want a ton of line out to hit bottom. When anchored you will of course need less weight and in current need more.
At times a drag n hop will work and at others you will need to lift drop.

In our area small firetiger rattle raps work well on most of the lakes for pitching shallow. Last year I had luck on one of the lakes you mentioned doing this in mid September. Later on I like to jig's and fatheads on drop-off's gold and white are good jig color's.

1/32 - 1/8 oz.

alright i've written this all down so i don't forget this
info. thanks to all who have replied!!

Okay, I'll bite. Is practice misspelled on purpose?