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#1500749 - 08/23/08 11:28 PM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
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FishingMN Family
Registered: 07/28/08
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Loc: St louis Park
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I actually agree with Joe Lieberman on a number of issues. That is why he most likely will not be the V.P. choice. That would make the already leary conservatives quite angry. My biggest beef has been his complete support of the war in Iraq,which in my opinion is based mostly on his concern for Isreals security.
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#1501271 - 08/24/08 08:00 PM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 12/28/06
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Here is my prediction.
McCain extends his friendly hand even further across the isle and pulls a fast one on Obama. He picks Hillary as his running mate. She willingly accepts and unleashes all that pent up fury on Barak. Even Bill piles on. McCain ends up winning the election while gaining only 5% of the republican vote.
Soon after, McCain suffers a mysterious accident witnessed only by Bill and Hillary where they swear he unexplainably threw himself down a flight of stairs. Hillary becomes president and using Bushes new executive powers has both Bill and Barak imprisoned as possible terrorists.
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#1501277 - 08/24/08 08:03 PM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 07/05/06
Posts: 686
Loc: So St. Paul
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I like it!
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#1503139 - 08/26/08 08:56 AM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
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FishingMN Family
Registered: 01/13/08
Posts: 152
Loc: Grand Rapids, MN
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Canon Guy: I too am deeply suspicious of Lieberman for his role in promoting the Israeli position on Iraq and the unconditional aid we send to Israel. Just finishing a powerful book on the Israeli Lobby and American Foreign Policy. We are being played like a tune on behalf of Israel's interests in the Middle East...often to the detriment of U.S. interests. I will be outlining the Israel influence based on this book as soon as I finish it.
Perhaps on this forum I won't be branded as anti-semitic for attempting to summarize the incredible influence (read strangle-hold) that the Israeli lobby has on our political system.
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#1504830 - 08/27/08 11:57 AM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
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Sr IceLeaders Family
Registered: 09/29/07
Posts: 1386
Loc: North of Duluth
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Although a sharp blow to the head for Pelosi wouldn't be a bad place to start either.  Man, how true is that. That's the problem the democrats have, they keep shooting themselves in the foot. They make her the House Speaker and on the local front they have a valid candidate in Ciresi and instead they go with Franken. Go figure.  Just shows the direction they are going. Their actions speak volumes. These are not the democrats of the past that actually supported working men and women, Middle America. yep. my folks and family. both Democrat parents are going Mccain this year. I have no doubt there will be no change with McCain, but with a dem congress, they can fight for the next 4-8 years. As far as Leiberman goes, not a good choice. you want a VP that agrees with you on most bissues
Edited by tacklejunkie (08/27/08 11:58 AM)
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#1504838 - 08/27/08 12:01 PM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
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Sr IceLeaders Family
Registered: 09/29/07
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Originally Posted By: fishgutz77
I really hope that by election time people that are not black get over the psuedo guilt they carry .
Huh? Yeah, I've read a few comments like this in a couple of different places - the implication being if you're white & plan on voting for Obama that you're somehow trying to salve your conscience. For what, I have no idea. I guess if people don't see the appeal of Obama they need to imagine ideas why others must like him that fit into their world view. Bizarre, to say the least. Hmmm? that should go well with the increasing articles showing up hinting that obama may not win because Americans are still racists. both sides play that game
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#1504853 - 08/27/08 12:07 PM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
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Sr HotSpotOutdoors Family
Registered: 01/16/06
Posts: 6792
Loc: St. Paul, MN
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They do both play that game and it's sad that's what they are using. There a plenty of reasons not to vote for Obama, black ain't of they those reason.
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#1505298 - 08/27/08 06:23 PM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
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FishingMN Family
Registered: 07/28/08
Posts: 160
Loc: St louis Park
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John,I would never label you a anti-semite because you don't support unconditional aid to Israel. I happen to be Jewish and believe we should still be giving aid to Isreal,however the amount and whether it should be unconditional can surely be debated. Because I am Jewish does not mean I support everything Israel does,same with our country,if I think it is wrong I say so. Israels settlement issue has always been a sore spot with be ,among other things. Now if you were to tell me you think the Jews control the money,the media and the enertainment industry in America,I may have to investigate your feelings a little deeper.
Bruce
Edited by Canon Guy (08/27/08 10:54 PM)
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#1505516 - 08/27/08 09:24 PM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
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FishingMN Family
Registered: 01/13/08
Posts: 152
Loc: Grand Rapids, MN
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Bruce: thanks for your response. A good friend of mine was editor of the Jerusalem Post? (think that's the title) and she is also troubled by the settlements and the neo-con linkage between the U.S. and Israel.
I think a thorough discussion of what is in the U.S.'s best interests should include a Palestinian State, removal of west bank settlements and a more equitable distribution of aid and support in the Middle East. These conditions should be articulated and enforced...the book I cited indicates that our direct aid is about $500 per Israeli, that it does not include many,many forms of military aid, and certainly does not include the international costs to this nation created by our unconditional support for Israel's approach to Palestinians and Lebanon.
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#1505685 - 08/27/08 11:08 PM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
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FishingMN Family
Registered: 07/28/08
Posts: 160
Loc: St louis Park
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Hey John,I agree with much of what you say here. Most in Israel,except for the exteme, agree with a Palestinian state solution,but we need to keep in mind that a large number of Palestinians will not under any circumstances recognize Israel as a legitmate state. The Lebanon issue is also touchy because it is party run by Hezbollah, which also is a enemy of our country. This is definitely not a black and white situation.
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#1506237 - 08/28/08 12:20 PM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
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Sr IceLeaders Family
Registered: 04/24/02
Posts: 1825
Loc: Twin Cities
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Hmmm? that should go well with the increasing articles showing up hinting that obama may not win because Americans are still racists. both sides play that game Tacklejunkie, go back & read up on Ford who ran in Tennessee in 2006. He consistently polled higher & ended up losing narrowly. The speculation is that people weren't willing to *admit* they wouldn't vote for a black man. I believe that's right> Some Americans are still racists, among many other -ists; if you don't believe that, you need to come out of the bunker. And let me add, we ALL have our prejudices. Tackle, I daresay you're prejudice against us fine liberals!
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#1506340 - 08/28/08 01:14 PM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
[Re: Maximum12]
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Sr IceLeaders Family
Registered: 09/29/07
Posts: 1386
Loc: North of Duluth
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Hmmm? that should go well with the increasing articles showing up hinting that obama may not win because Americans are still racists. both sides play that game Tacklejunkie, go back & read up on Ford who ran in Tennessee in 2006. He consistently polled higher & ended up losing narrowly. The speculation is that people weren't willing to *admit* they wouldn't vote for a black man. I believe that's right> Some Americans are still racists, among many other -ists; if you don't believe that, you need to come out of the bunker. And let me add, we ALL have our prejudices. Tackle, I daresay you're prejudice against us fine liberals! never said there is not anybody who wont vote obama simply just because he is black. talk to alot of those old democrats on the range and they will freely admit it. what i said that i am seeing articles more and more hinting that the reason obama will lose is because americans are still racists. you obama disciples dont seem to realize that the average voter does not have the same emotional connection you all have to obama, nor Mccain for that matter. he can be scrutinized and we the voter get to be critical of him just like we are of mccain or any other candidate and that does not make us racists plus, you assumed ford lost was voters decided not to vote for the black guy. how do you know this for sure?? maybe an issue came up during the campaign that turned the election
Edited by tacklejunkie (08/28/08 01:26 PM)
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#1506364 - 08/28/08 01:26 PM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
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Sr IceLeaders Family
Registered: 04/24/02
Posts: 1825
Loc: Twin Cities
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An "issue" like the "Call me?" advertisement? That was subtle, huh?
And hey, back away from the conservative crack pipe! Nobody's calling anyone a racist for criticizing Obama; that would be stupid. Nobody's above criticism (well, at least in the DFL, in the GOP it's tantamount to treason to speak ill of a fellow Republican). Criticize all you like. I think we're in agreement on the basic point.
There are folks who won't vote for Obama because of his color; ditto for McCain; ditto for Hillary due to her gender if she'd made it; ditto for McCain being ex-military (& yes there are those out there too); so on ad nauseum. Like I said, everyone's got prejudices, even if they don't conform to the 'standard' screeds on gender, sexual orientation, or color.
Me, I would never vote for anyone who'd drive a Saturn...
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#1506372 - 08/28/08 01:30 PM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
[Re: Maximum12]
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Sr IceLeaders Family
Registered: 09/29/07
Posts: 1386
Loc: North of Duluth
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An "issue" like the "Call me?" advertisement? That was subtle, huh?
And hey, back away from the conservative crack pipe! Nobody's calling anyone a racist for criticizing Obama; that would be stupid. Nobody's above criticism (well, at least in the DFL, in the GOP it's tantamount to treason to speak ill of a fellow Republican). Criticize all you like. I think we're in agreement on the basic point.
There are folks who won't vote for Obama because of his color; ditto for McCain; ditto for Hillary due to her gender if she'd made it; ditto for McCain being ex-military (& yes there are those out there too); so on ad nauseum. Like I said, everyone's got prejudices, even if they don't conform to the 'standard' screeds on gender, sexual orientation, or color.
Me, I would never vote for anyone who'd drive a Saturn... i predicted long ago the minute obama gets in trouble he will go to racial politics. lo and behold... oh, the democrats allow critisism...I dont think leiberman would agree with you. booted out of the democrat party because he didnt march in full goosestep with the dem party
Edited by tacklejunkie (08/28/08 01:30 PM)
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#1506411 - 08/28/08 01:50 PM
Re: McCain / Lieberman
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Sr FishingMN Family
Registered: 04/30/08
Posts: 374
Loc: MUSKYMAN1011
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McCain is Honorable Military Man, but
I know many Republicans are going to VOTE for Barack this year.
Why?
Because they do not want four more years of Bush.
He buried the Country and no Moderate Republican is
Ignorant enough to make the same Mistake Three times in a Row.
I do not belive Leiberman will be his VP pick...
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