Outdoor & ice fishing equipment help and advice
HotSpotOutdoors.com

Fishing Minnesota

"We Have More Fun"
Before Posting ANY - links, commercial contact info, items or services wanted, or for sale items allowed you need authorization.
Please use the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of threads/Topics for information to get authorization.
NO bickering, ax grinding, trolls, or hostile posts allowed. You may be banned if you are involved.


FishingMinnesota.com Sponsor Tackle, Maps, Gear, Logowear and MORE - Click Here - Save money AND be on the Leading Edge..

www.the-oilman.com, your lubricant partner


To Become a Member Register HereForum Policy - Please, you must read before using this forum. Thanks!HotSpotOutdoors.com
Who's Online
568 registered (&JAG, 00rowe, 123fish, 1forwalleye, 2 DA GILLS, 2dog, 35 invisible), 1438 Guests and 40 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Outdoor Pro Store


On The Forums ...
Musket Scopes
by Traxxx
0 seconds ago
just a little rant...
by kc0myy
1 minute 19 seconds ago
Hummingbird ICE 45
by gulllakeguy
1 minute 37 seconds ago
Swans
by JayinMN
2 minutes 7 seconds ago
Where to buy replacement items stolen
by leehawkins
2 minutes 12 seconds ago
Great Gray
by Dbl
2 minutes 40 seconds ago
Thanks for the tips!
by SomethingFishy
3 minutes 17 seconds ago
Lets make a million! ! ! !
by Central Bassman
3 minutes 27 seconds ago
do it yourselfor go out of a resort?
by icefishing21
3 minutes 28 seconds ago
Huge Muskie Encounter
by hovermn
3 minutes 53 seconds ago
Newest Members
THEDOGG, mmoose, dmunsinger, RiverRand, FISH 24-7
40469 Registered Users
Top Posters today
Sandmannd 37
harvey lee 34
dtro 27
shackbash 21
mrklean 21
CrappieFshr651 21
LEP7MM 18
drewski 15
Northlander 14
BigWadeS 14
Forum Stats
40469 Members
185 Forums
183453 Topics
1568457 Posts

Max Online: 3699 @ 05/13/08 12:57 PM
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#1482136 - 08/05/08 01:26 PM 4 cylinder engines
bucketmouth64 Offline
Sr FishingMN Family

Registered: 08/28/03
Posts: 763
Loc: Isanti, MN USA
Wondering how does one know if a vehicle has a good 4 cylinder engine? I've heard some engines whine when accelerating. Is this normal for 4 cylinders? What liter size should I stay away from? I am looking for one that has some zip (non-turbo). Do I look at horsepower, special engine features (for example dual overhead cams, no idea what this means).

Top
#1482194 - 08/05/08 02:14 PM Re: 4 cylinder engines [Re: bucketmouth64]
4wanderingeyes Moderator Offline
HotSpotOutdoors Specialist

Registered: 01/18/07
Posts: 4760
Loc: Henderson, MN
DOHC= 2 cams instead of one, more power! What model and year are you most interested in. There are many 4 cyl out there, to many to coment on!
_________________________
Life is full of Surprises!


http://fishingminnesota.com/sponsorlinks.html

Top
#1482199 - 08/05/08 02:16 PM Re: 4 cylinder engines [Re: bucketmouth64]
airjer Moderator Offline
HotSpotOutdoors Pro Staff

Registered: 01/17/01
Posts: 4310
Loc: Mt. Iron/St. paul (deranged)
Depends on the manufacturer, size of the car, new or used?

The best for cylinders in my opinion are in no particular order
1. Suburu, new and old
2. Any Honda vtech - lots of fun to drive, very dependable!
3. Saturn 1.9 DOHC found in the SL2's, Very fun to drive, very simple cars, easy to work on.
4. Toyota 1.8 liter found in the Corolla, Another very dependable motor and vehicle!!
5. New GM 2.2 ecotech, So far it seems to be a pretty good.
_________________________
The "ORIGINAL" Ice Leaders Ice Map (click here)
icereports@att.net
The people that help us help you!

Lead Night Tech, Woodbury Autocare
Owned and Operated by the Linn Companies
autoinfo@att.net

Top
#1482487 - 08/05/08 06:51 PM Re: 4 cylinder engines [Re: airjer]
bucketmouth64 Offline
Sr FishingMN Family

Registered: 08/28/03
Posts: 763
Loc: Isanti, MN USA
Looking at vehicles the size of calibers, focus, vibe. I am just trying to get an idea what things in a 4 cylinder engine I should look for. For example, if I find three vehicles I like what should I be comparing engine wise other than how many liters it is. Does the higher liter mean a better engine?

Top
#1482589 - 08/05/08 09:01 PM Re: 4 cylinder engines [Re: bucketmouth64]
Pooh Offline
IceLeaders Family

Registered: 06/27/04
Posts: 205
Loc: Wadena
i was told by a chevy mechaninc to stay away from the GM 4s. (he wasnt talking this eco-tech it he didnt knw much about that yet) if that helps. why a 4 my fiances malibu with the v6 does good on gas if thats what your looking for
_________________________
when in doubt let er fly

Top
#1482717 - 08/05/08 10:26 PM Re: 4 cylinder engines [Re: Pooh]
airjer Moderator Offline
HotSpotOutdoors Pro Staff

Registered: 01/17/01
Posts: 4310
Loc: Mt. Iron/St. paul (deranged)
The Pontiac vibe depending on the model year will have either a 1.8 or a 2.4 liter built by Toyota. Actually the whole car is built by Toyota. The nice thing about these two engines is that both of them have a timing chain not a timing belt. A timing belt will need to be serviced ruffly every 90 to 100k. A chain will practically last the life of the engine. Its not uncommon for Toyota's to still be running well after 250K!

The focus will have a timing belt. We see a lot of issues with the focuses. Tire wear is huge on some models. Broken rear springs and wheel bearings are also popular.

The Caliber 1.8 or 2.4 is a belt I think and the 2.0 is a chain. I have not serviced any of these yet!

The Liter rating is the amount of cylinder displacement using the metric system. The American counterpart used to be cubic inches. If you still think that way you can multiply liters x 60 and get a ruff idea of the cubic inches.

Liters mean nothing as manufacturer continue to evolve new technology that squeeze more and more horsepower out of smaller engines. One manufacturer might offer an engine with more liters of displacement but that engine may have considerable less horsepower/torque than another or the same manufacturers smaller engine(s). What it boils down to is just because it is bigger doesn't always mean its better!!
_________________________
The "ORIGINAL" Ice Leaders Ice Map (click here)
icereports@att.net
The people that help us help you!

Lead Night Tech, Woodbury Autocare
Owned and Operated by the Linn Companies
autoinfo@att.net

Top
#1483685 - 08/06/08 06:56 PM Re: 4 cylinder engines [Re: airjer]
bucketmouth64 Offline
Sr FishingMN Family

Registered: 08/28/03
Posts: 763
Loc: Isanti, MN USA
Good info. airjer. Thanks.

Top
#1484003 - 08/06/08 11:30 PM Re: 4 cylinder engines [Re: bucketmouth64]
airjer Moderator Offline
HotSpotOutdoors Pro Staff

Registered: 01/17/01
Posts: 4310
Loc: Mt. Iron/St. paul (deranged)
Something else on the focuses. We are starting to see the older models come in for A/C services. Currently Ford is on there forth update on the evap core/airbox assembly. Yes the evap core is being replaced as an entire airbox assembly to address issues that arose in Florida. Along with replacing the airbox assembly (as needed) the receiver drier has also been updated and no longer works with the stock a/c hoses so they need to be replaced when that is serviced as well. What does this mean for the customer? potentially thousands of dollars for some cold air!
_________________________
The "ORIGINAL" Ice Leaders Ice Map (click here)
icereports@att.net
The people that help us help you!

Lead Night Tech, Woodbury Autocare
Owned and Operated by the Linn Companies
autoinfo@att.net

Top
#1512114 - 09/03/08 12:24 PM Re: 4 cylinder engines [Re: airjer]
slipperybob Offline
Sr IceLeaders Family

Registered: 01/17/07
Posts: 1790
Loc: FLake
I drive a Toy Celica 94. It has a 2.2 liter 4 cylinder. It also has short gear 5 spd manual, shorter cylinder stroke and wider cylinder bore. It outputs on the flywheel 135hp peak at 5800 rpm and 142 lbs torque peak at 2800 rpm. The zip in this car is its high end torque at a low rpm. Mostly city driving, a person would rarely go much over 3000 rpm, that's when I shift gear. EPA MPG 22/27 but my driving habits gets me 25/30, if I stretch it maybe 32 mpg city.
_________________________
slip bobbing, is the laziest way to fish all day!

Top
#1516215 - 09/06/08 09:53 PM Re: 4 cylinder engines [Re: slipperybob]
zamboni Online   happy
Sr IceLeaders Family

Registered: 11/17/06
Posts: 2138
Loc: Truman, MN
Don't get a GM Quad Four.
_________________________
Served Proudly Aboard The USS Holland (AS-32)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Holland_(AS-32)

Top
#1516457 - 09/07/08 09:22 AM Re: 4 cylinder engines [Re: zamboni]
jwhjr Online   content
Sr IceLeaders Family

Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 1914
Loc: Cottage Grove/Perham/Outing
Originally Posted By: zamboni
Don't get a GM Quad Four.


I'll second that. I had one and although plugs were a breeze on it, pretty much everything else was a PIA. The starter kept going out (never did figure out what electrical gremlin was roaming through the system to take it out), and it was not fun to replace.


Edited by jwhjr (09/07/08 03:04 PM)
Edit Reason: spelling

Top
#1516649 - 09/07/08 01:28 PM Re: 4 cylinder engines [Re: zamboni]
airjer Moderator Offline
HotSpotOutdoors Pro Staff

Registered: 01/17/01
Posts: 4310
Loc: Mt. Iron/St. paul (deranged)
Originally Posted By: zamboni
Don't get a GM Quad Four.


I'll second that motion! Do they still make the quad 4?
_________________________
The "ORIGINAL" Ice Leaders Ice Map (click here)
icereports@att.net
The people that help us help you!

Lead Night Tech, Woodbury Autocare
Owned and Operated by the Linn Companies
autoinfo@att.net

Top
#1516709 - 09/07/08 03:06 PM Re: 4 cylinder engines [Re: airjer]
jwhjr Online   content
Sr IceLeaders Family

Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 1914
Loc: Cottage Grove/Perham/Outing
According to Wikipedia the Quad 4 was replaced in 2001 by the Ecotec.

Top
#1517018 - 09/07/08 08:32 PM Re: 4 cylinder engines [Re: jwhjr]
dtro Online   happy
HotSpotOutdoors Pro Staff

Registered: 08/19/00
Posts: 7335
Loc: Southwest Metro
I tell ya what.

I had a Beretta GTZ Quad 4 that had a 2.3 I think.

God was that car FAST!

I think that was part of the problem with these engines. The tolerances were so tight and the compression was so high, it wasn't a good engine for long term

Boy was it fun though.

100mph in 3rd gear wink


I miss that car frown

_________________________
DTroFishOn@Gmail.com
2007 King of the Cats Champion
2008 King of the Cats Champion

2008 IceLeaders Events


Top
#1517092 - 09/07/08 09:38 PM Re: 4 cylinder engines [Re: dtro]
airjer Moderator Offline
HotSpotOutdoors Pro Staff

Registered: 01/17/01
Posts: 4310
Loc: Mt. Iron/St. paul (deranged)
Thank god there's only two of those left on the road!

Unfortunately they show up at the shop one a month!! frown
_________________________
The "ORIGINAL" Ice Leaders Ice Map (click here)
icereports@att.net
The people that help us help you!

Lead Night Tech, Woodbury Autocare
Owned and Operated by the Linn Companies
autoinfo@att.net

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >


Moderator:  4wanderingeyes, airjer, shackbash 
Hot Spot Outdoors


Ice Leaders Sponsors


Support our Sponsors