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#1471353 - 07/24/08 10:38 PM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: duckcall]
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He said purchase not own. Making the point there is not enough safeguards in place to prevent a fellon from buying a gun. And he did mention in the first sentence that the act of ownership of a gun was illeagal.


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#1471363 - 07/24/08 10:47 PM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: croixflats]
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Wrong, he said a felon can purchase a gun legally. Read it. That is a false statement.

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#1471369 - 07/24/08 10:56 PM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: croixflats]
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I knew this was going to turn towards the gun thing. Typical liberal slanted arguements. First of all the guy was illegal.(Broken law number one) Secondly he was carrying a firearm(broken law number two) Then he commited murder(broken law number three) And the biggest crime of all is that good old liberal san francisco dropped the ball again and let someone who shouldn't be here in the first place out of jail/deportation, all for the sake of humanity and the "political correctness" slant. Makes me sick. This country was great until the liberal cause came around to try and make everyone happy. Alot of good it's doing this country.
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#1471372 - 07/24/08 11:01 PM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: wall_guy_101]
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One other issue is if you left leaners ban all guns don't you think that a criminal is going to continue to be a criminal and get a knife or an axe or a flippin rock and still kill anyway? And the only thing a gun ban does is take it away from a law abiding citizen, not a criminal. That's why there criminals.
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#1471376 - 07/24/08 11:03 PM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: wall_guy_101]
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Then you turned it around into repubs against dems. And who is govener of that state anyways. so blame away.
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#1471379 - 07/24/08 11:09 PM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: Sandmannd]
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Originally Posted By: Sandmannd
Rediculous. This kind of junk needs to end already. Why are you carrying around an AK 47 for the cripes sake!!!
Are you kidding, did you see that show with robin williams when he was defending from squirls. Patch Adams was the movie. man that was scary
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#1471476 - 07/25/08 05:46 AM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: duckcall]
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Originally Posted By: duckcall
Wrong, he said a felon can purchase a gun legally. Read it. That is a false statement.


Let me restate what I wrote; The transaction between a private seller and a private buyer does not require any identification or background check. Therefore, the transaction itself is legal. What's illegal is the felon owning a gun which doesn't occur until after the transaction.
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#1471478 - 07/25/08 05:51 AM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: wall_guy_101]
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Originally Posted By: wall_guy_101
One other issue is if you left leaners ban all guns


Did you read where anyone on this site wants to ban all guns, or is this just some straw man you're throwing out there?

If you read my post it talks about the loose laws for purchasing guns, it says nothing about banning them.
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#1471510 - 07/25/08 07:01 AM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: Kidd]
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Kid, I am sorry, but you are wrong. The transaction itself is illegal. The fact that a felon cannot own, possess, acquire or purchase a firearms in and of itself makes the transaction illegal. Using your logic, it would only be illegal to buy cocaine from a pharmicist. If you bought it from a drug dealer on the street it would be legal. Makes a lot of sense.

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#1471518 - 07/25/08 07:08 AM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: Kidd]
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Originally Posted By: Kidd
Originally Posted By: duckcall
Wrong, he said a felon can purchase a gun legally. Read it. That is a false statement.


Let me restate what I wrote; The transaction between a private seller and a private buyer does not require any identification or background check. Therefore, the transaction itself is legal. What's illegal is the felon owning a gun which doesn't occur until after the transaction.



I got your point the first time Kidd. I think it's illegal for a felon to buy the gun even from private party. The problem is the privat party doesn't do a backround check and doesn't need to. Good points made by you.

I still say the criminals will get guns if they are illegal or not. They don't care if they break the law.
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#1471526 - 07/25/08 07:16 AM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: Sandmannd]
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I think we need to tighten up the laws on sales of heroin and cocaine. Then nobody will get the stuff.

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#1471554 - 07/25/08 07:51 AM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: NETim]
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Originally Posted By: NETim
I think we need to tighten up the laws on sales of heroin and cocaine. Then nobody will get the stuff.


Yup, make them substances illegal, just like some would like to do with guns. Then the bad guys won't have them. crazy
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#1471577 - 07/25/08 08:20 AM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: duckcall]
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Originally Posted By: duckcall
If you bought it from a drug dealer on the street it would be legal. Makes a lot of sense.

Hey, you been following me around ? laugh

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MN: Lawmakers hope to regulate private gun sales
KSTP News ^ | 02/21/2008 04:45:39 PM | Nicole Muehlhausen

Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 9:44:24 AM by jdege

Lawmakers hope to regulate private gun sales
A new bill introduced at the Capitol is aimed at existing Minnesota gun laws. Lawmakers want to close a loophole that allows anyone to buy guns at private sales without a background check.

The proposed bill targets handguns and assault weapons. Anyone buying one would need a permit and it would require all gun show transactions to be processed by a licensed gun dealer. Anyone purchasing a firearm would have to undergo a federal and local background check.
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#1471592 - 07/25/08 08:32 AM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: Sandmannd]
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I still say the criminals will get guns if they are illegal or not. They don't care if they break the law.


Great point! All stricter gun laws are going to do is slow down legal transactions. They could change the laws so everyone is required to get a permit, but what would happen? There will be a lot more straw purchases and break-ins. What are they going to do next, follow me home to make sure I bought it for myself. Are they going to stop by and look at it to make sure I still have it and did not sell it to someone. These guys and seeling drugs and robbing people, do you really think they are concerned about carrying a illegal gun. Remember, guns DO NOT kill people, people pull the trigger and kill people. Otherwise I could blame this keyboard for all my typo's. grin

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#1471615 - 07/25/08 08:49 AM Re: Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law [Re: Jarrod32]
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Originally Posted By: lawdog
Here is what I don't understand about these sanctuary policies. I think they are unconstitutional as plain as can be. Federal law trumps them and you can't say you won't follow federal law. Its the supremecy clause of the constution and these bleeding hearts should think about and try to run their city, not the federal immigration system!!!!!! WHO ELECTS THESE RETARDS?????


Actually, constitutionally, state law in most cases trumps (or is supposed to trump) federal law. However, laws and the courts have been transferring more and more power to the feds over the years so people now have the misconception that federal law is the ultimate authority.

Check out the 10th amendment to the constitution.


ACTUALLY, IT IS RIGHT, it is called the supremecy clause for a reason! Check out Article VI, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution, which reads:

“ This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. "


IT DOESN'T GET MUCH PLAINER THAN THAT! The Tenth Amendment reserves powers to the States that aren't federal powers. CLEARLY immigration is a Federal issue...

Get a clue!
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