This year after losing a very nice surgeon and 4-5 flatheads, its not a looking fo a sponsor thing but looking to land what hits my line. Way to many break offs.

Yeah, I was hung up on some rocks 2 nights ago and I thought I better check my line. Nothing major, nothing that looked like it needed to be re-tied. Well, 20 minutes later I set the hook on a SMALL fish (couldn't have been over 10 lbs), and my line snapped halfway between my hook and my swivel.

This is year-old power pro, mind you...but it was re-spooled backward, so the stuff I'm using never saw the light of day last year. Not good for 80 lb line.

Basically, that says every time you touch a rock, even if you get out of the snag, you need to re-tie. Maybe instead I'll switch to mono leaders.

Someone STOP the bandwagon! Its running away!

Couple things to consider:

- 65lb line is NOT 80lb line. Not a good comparison, even within the same brand of line.

- Braid does NOT stretch. The rod & line work together as a system. Stiff rods are really a braided lines worst enemy. Stiff rod + braided line = go a little easy on the hookset. There is a lot of force applied and something has to give.

- Knots. Most knots don't hold with braided superlines. I think most of us tie the Palomar. If you aren't, your knots are slipping and coming undone.

- Always check your line for cuts, knicks, abrasion, and wear. Retie often. A plastic bead or small piece of surgical tubing between the swivel and sinker goes along way towards protecting that knot.

- Drag. Considering a braid doesn't stretch, its best to err on the conservative side with a lighter drag IMO. If enough force is exerted, even 80lb will snap. Line is tough but its not sevenstrand wire.

- Leader material. Its best to tie your leaders with fresh line off a spool kept in your tacklebag. However, I'm guilty as heck of not doing this, I strip a couple feet of line off my mainline to tie my leader with. Well... thats going to be the most abraded part of the line and now I'm using it as my leader.

The 80lb PowerPro on my rods is 1-1/2 years old now, some of you may remember me respooling at the Sturgeon Excursion 2 springs ago. Still the same line.

I can't wait to hear some reviews of Sufix from some of the people I trust here. However... it'll be a review of brand new line. It should perform great, right? The real test will be after a full summer of use, is it still holding up?

It'll be awhile before this debate is ever settled.

On a sidenote, I think Cortland Masterbraid is another superline worth a looksee. A full morning of casting BullDawgs with this line has me in love with it.

Dude, you're using puppies for bait now? That's sick

I have been using the stuff for two years now. I haven't broke off or respooled either. Everything I said about it this spring was after a year of using sufix.

Mine came in the mail today. Trial run tonight!

Tough crowd to please, either it breaks too much or not enough dtro, with that 100lb stuff you can bring the snag right in the boat and relocate it to a top secret spot From shore if you brace yourself I haven't found a hook yet I couldn't straighten out with that stuff. From a boat its tricky as you'll pull the anchors around.
Need to develop a lure retrieving type device that will go down your line to the snag and then cut it.
BTW - how was the trial run with the 80 sufix?

Very impressed. I like how round and smooth it is. Almost reminds me of large mono or leadcore.

Can't beat the bright shiny sparkly spool it comes on either

It doesn't lay quite as tight on the spool, but still worked ok.


Strength wise, it will take a little getting used to on breaking off the 80lb. I pulled the boat off anchor last night

Always match the line and lure weight to the rod you are using. If you over load your system you will start breaking equipment. That statment makes a rod builder cringe. I do want to know if the suffix makes a different sound in the guides.

Things to think about. Line is rated static and dry, meaning a weight hung in suspended fashion and the line being well.....not wet(water will weaken braided rope....that is not much diffrent then the super lines)
Next, we (most of the time) fish in current. This adds resistance. Think of tying a gallon bucket to the line at the end of your favorite flat rod and just hold it in the current(some what close to the same serface area as Eral)
Another factor is the weight of the fish or snag,rock,car,tractor ext.
These are your statec forces.
Now, add in the fish swimming the other direction(speed of drop we will call it)
And then your hook set(the Hanson technique)(JK)
In rope rescue this is reffered to sa shock loading. It is the force that is exerted when a load drops and then hits your system. The same thing as hook set and fish movement in this case.
This affect can amplify your statec force many many times.
So, 80# PP meets a huge hook set and a fish in current. Well you can under stand the forces.

Now how do we combat these forces. This is where the equipment comes in. Hanson did a great job explaining the systems.
The rod is a shock absorber. This is your first line of defense. Like Hanson stated(no stretch line with no bend rod = Broken line or rod)
Somthing needs to give. If you consistently brake off you probably need to change somthing. Keeping your line weight in the range of your rod desigh will keep you (in most conditions)from rod devestation.
And lastly the drag. This is your fale safe. I thumb the spool then i set the hook. so in my case it dose not do much.
Think about it.

excellent explanation on the above post Fireman.
thanks for taking the time to elaborate.

talking about that shock load... WWG set the hook on one last Saturday, and broke the braid straight away..

I can see that, another reason to have some give in the tip of a cat rod.

OR have your drag backed off a little.

I still think PP is a great line and don’t see a reason not to use it. I’m pretty sure most of my breakoffs this year can be attributed to the rocks I fish in and also the hookset (used circles last year).
I’m sure just going from 65 to 80 would’ve helped a lot.

But as long as I had to bump up to 80, why not try something new in the process and add another review into mix. I haven’t heard any bad things about Suffix, so might as well give it a shot.

Thanks to Ed for recommending it.

Oh and Fireman, IMO it is quieter going through the guides than PP. It could be because the coating hasn’t worn off yet…….stay tuned.

Where are your photo's of your catch last night KingKat?

Thats what I believe your new title should be Darren, KingKat guy.

Your contest partner LFC will need to be KK Jr.