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#1468495 - 07/22/08 01:54 PM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: MNmikew]
Johnny_Da_Der Online   content
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Originally Posted By: MNmikew
Originally Posted By: croixflats
I turn the channel when the rhetoric gets bad. I'm not saying the other channels dont throw the rhetoric but IMO Fox blaitantly comes out and spews carp on a regular basis.


Give us an example of this blatent carp spewing.


Evidence and examples don't work on you. People can pile evidence on you all day long and you will just deny that it means anything. This is the mentality of the typical Fox news viewer.

Give me evidence that FOX doesn't spew carp. Give me evidence that they don't deliberately misinform.

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#1468517 - 07/22/08 02:08 PM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: MNmikew]
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Originally Posted By: MNmikew
Originally Posted By: croixflats
I turn the channel when the rhetoric gets bad. I'm not saying the other channels dont throw the rhetoric but IMO Fox blaitantly comes out and spews carp on a regular basis.


Give us an example of this blatent carp spewing.


Here ya go. Its not just fox. But the hatred and bias starts there.


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#1468549 - 07/22/08 02:36 PM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: petepeters]
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So we all know we can go back and fourth on whether or not a certain news source is credible, or not...

Would one of you obama followers, or liberals, please try to explain to me is how a liberal viewpoint holding office would be good for the United States. Could you please explain that to me?
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#1468552 - 07/22/08 02:38 PM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: Johnny_Da_Der]
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[quote=Johnny_Da_Der
Evidence and examples don't work on you. People can pile evidence on you all day long and you will just deny that it means anything. This is the mentality of the typical Fox news viewer.

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I have marveled for years at how some on the left are so frightened of the media outlets which don't toe the party line. Whether its Fox News or talk radio, the fear and loathing is palpable, and almost comical. Reading and listening to the predictable rants against not only those media, but also their consumers, I sometimes get a chill. Don't they understand the power and importance of dissent and media diversity? Don't they understand the danger (as proven throughout history) of concentrating too much power?

There is a reason Air(head) America has faltered. There is a reason the major dailies and the Big Three networks have falling revenues. Many people have become fed up with the obvious tilt of those outlets, and have sought out alternatives. Why would anyone willingly get only half of the story? Why should anyone limit themselves from hearing a variety of opinions? With cable/satellite tv and the internet, we no longer have to. We are now free to seek out and consume news and information and commentary from a whole host of sources. When the New York Times shills for BHO, we have the Drudge Report printing McCain's response. The NYT tried, but failed to muzzle McCain. Instead of succeeding in their goal of promoting BHO, the NYT is now wiping large turds off of their face.

I think that's a good thing.
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#1468558 - 07/22/08 02:45 PM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: Johnny_Da_Der]
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Originally Posted By: Johnny_Da_Der
Originally Posted By: MNmikew
Originally Posted By: croixflats
I turn the channel when the rhetoric gets bad. I'm not saying the other channels dont throw the rhetoric but IMO Fox blaitantly comes out and spews carp on a regular basis.


Give us an example of this blatent carp spewing.


Evidence and examples don't work on you. People can pile evidence on you all day long and you will just deny that it means anything. This is the mentality of the typical Fox news viewer.

Give me evidence that FOX doesn't spew carp. Give me evidence that they don't deliberately misinform.





Evidence and examples would work, if you had some. But you dont. Here's an example of diliberate misinformation....Dan Rather and his phoney docs. Sounds like you have the typical mentality of a liberal MSM viewer.

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#1468564 - 07/22/08 02:46 PM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: petepeters]
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Yeah, no hatred or bias at MSNBC. Ever here Olbermans rants?

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#1468568 - 07/22/08 02:49 PM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: Jackpine Rob]
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Well said Jackpine! It's amazing how the left gets their undies in a bunch over Fox. Not surprising they want to revive the "Fairness Doctrine".

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#1468646 - 07/22/08 03:42 PM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: MNmikew]
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You are your own worst enemy, MNmike.

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#1468671 - 07/22/08 04:11 PM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: Johnny_Da_Der]
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Originally Posted By: Johnny_Da_Der
You are your own worst enemy, MNmike.


Yeah, if you say so. crazy

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#1469027 - 07/22/08 10:04 PM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: Johnny_Da_Der]
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Hurry, it's 10:00pm, "The Factor" is on:) Lets all watch it, you lib's might learn something!!!! The "No Spin Zone" is waiting.

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#1469048 - 07/22/08 10:24 PM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: MNmikew]
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I find it facinating how the more liberal leaning folks on here can so easily recognize the conservative leanings of Fox News, but appear to be totally oblivious to the liberal bias of the majority of mainstream media.
I do have a theory. Since the main networks, public radio and many newspapers basically echo the very same news they tend to validate one another. It is not as though through high quality investigative reporting they have all independantly developed similar news reports, they simply repeat and regurgetate each others news. Thus validation by duplication.
Somewhat like being told by a number different people how tall you are. No matter what your actual height, after being told often enough you actually start to believe it. And since you really like hearing it you start listening only to the people who are telling you what you want to hear.
Many liberals seem to be comfortable with the blinders on hearing only what they enjoy hearing, validating their beliefs, and discounting all other views as redical right wing ranting.

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#1469119 - 07/23/08 12:10 AM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: walleye101]
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Originally Posted By: walleye101
I find it facinating how the more liberal leaning folks on here can so easily recognize the conservative leanings of Fox News, but appear to be totally oblivious to the liberal bias of the majority of mainstream media.


How do they appear to be totally oblivious? Please quote the post that gave that gave you that idea.

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#1469121 - 07/23/08 12:19 AM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: walleye101]
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Originally Posted By: walleye101

Many liberals seem to be comfortable with the blinders on hearing only what they enjoy hearing, validating their beliefs, and discounting all other views as redical right wing ranting.


Many conservatives seem to be comfortable with the blinders on hearing only what they enjoy hearing, validating their beliefs, and discounting all other views as radical left wing ranting.

Seriously. Do you think about what you are writing?

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#1469191 - 07/23/08 07:24 AM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: Johnny_Da_Der]
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Johnny,
Yes I do give considerable thought to what I am posting. That is why I rarely make quick responses, because I usually regret what I end up saying.

I thought my previous post was clear but let me try again to explain.

The Dan Rather fiasco being an exception of blatant misinformation, all the major news media pretty much report facts. It is which facts they choose to report and how they choose to report them that results in bias.

As a conservative I am able recognize and admit the right leaning slant of how Fox reports news. I stated that in the first sentence in my previous post.

It just does not seem to me that liberals are capable of recognizing the liberal bias they are hearing from much of the mainstream media. They tend to single out Fox as being biased news reporting, which seems to imply that the other networks are not.

For the record I listen to all the media outlets. A steady diet of Fox, Clear Channel, ABC or MSNBC is not good for anyone.

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#1469731 - 07/23/08 03:14 PM Re: A List of Obama's Accomplishments [Re: walleye101]
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Loc: New Brighton
On another note, does anyone know why BHO is over in the middle east playing president when the election is still 3+ months away?

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