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#1452648 - 07/04/08 11:16 PM The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes
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Sounds to me like she has it figured out.
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#1452653 - 07/04/08 11:25 PM Re: The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes [Re: Sandmannd]
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#1452657 - 07/04/08 11:36 PM Re: The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes [Re: kingfisher1]
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It is too bad she was talking to so many empty seats.

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#1452709 - 07/05/08 06:36 AM Re: The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes [Re: Jameson]
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Sounds like she's drank the Kool-Aid. She's young. In my lifetime it's been "The Coming Ice Age, El Nino, El Nina, Global warming, Oh wait that was just in the last 30 years. Hopefully when she grows up she will realize that doomsday prophets have been around since day one. They (the prophets) need no proof they just scream that the sky is falling and the world is coming to an end. When it doesn't happen, they move on to the next popular cause. Sad, very sad. Smart kid too.
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#1452713 - 07/05/08 07:12 AM Re: The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes [Re: Sandmannd]
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Ahh yes...to be young and idealistic!! It would be interesting to see her outlook on these thing 40 years from now.
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#1452737 - 07/05/08 09:05 AM Re: The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes [Re: upnorth]
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Originally Posted By: upnorth
Ahh yes...to be young and idealistic!! It would be interesting to see her outlook on these thing 40 years from now.


I guess the same can be said to your response. Maybe in forty years, there will no longer be any doubt either way. I know I won't be here to say I told you so.

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#1452749 - 07/05/08 09:42 AM Re: The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes [Re: hayseed]
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Originally Posted By: upnorth
Ahh yes...to be young and idealistic!! It would be interesting to see her outlook on these thing 40 years from now.


I guess the same can be said to your response. Maybe in forty years, there will no longer be any doubt either way. I know I won't be here to say I told you so.


What I am getting at is that when I was 20 I was a lot more idealistic than I am now at 50. Perspective changes as a person gains more experience in life. You do not gain life experience by watching the news, reading a book or listening to someone else's opinion, you get it by living life for while keeping your eyes, ears and mind open.

It is very easy for someone who has yet to work to support herself, provide for her own family and children to talk about sharing wealth with those that have less than she sees others having. When she has to decide whether to donate money or pay her mortage, heat bill or buy food her ideals may change.

She also at this time probably fails to see that much of monies donated is sucked up in administrative costs and more often than not goes to line Fat Cats pockets in the countries and communities where it is suppose to help instead of the needy.

Climate, ozone etc, will continue to change no matter what we do, it has since the dawn of time. We may have an impact, but we have changed many things as far as pollution and wasted resources just in the last 30 years that many if not most people have just ignored. Not to mention that the earth will heal herself over time. When it comes to pollution we will never get back to the ideals of some until we are back to living in caves, these are the same fools that jet around the world preaching about pollution and waste, they should be looking to change themselves and their ways before they start preaching to the rest of us. I am sure she didn't get to this presentation on her bike.
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#1452754 - 07/05/08 09:47 AM Re: The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes [Re: upnorth]
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Well said... Upnorth
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#1452770 - 07/05/08 10:07 AM Re: The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes [Re: Bobby Bass]
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I stopped listening when she said her and her dad couldn't fish in Ontario because all the fish have cancer.

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#1452817 - 07/05/08 10:59 AM Re: The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes [Re: fishinmusician]
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There's nothing about global warming in this.

This is a UN conference on environment and development, and if you look closely at the date on the banner behind the speaker, it's 19something. Not sure, but looks as best as I can make out like it could be 1987.

Global warming wasn't even a gleam in the eyes of most scientists in 1987, and those few who were thinking in those terms were shouting into the wilderness at that point.

This girl's messages are simple. Be responsible stewards of the earth. Care for each other. Share our wealth with those less fortunate than us. These are the same thing Christian religions preach, that the Bible teaches.

Conservative and liberal alike say they agree with those three ideals. But of course another of her messages was that fighting each other keeps from taking the strides needed to reshape the world into a better place.

While it's typical for the young to be more idealistic than the middle-aged and elderly, I know many people now middle-aged and older who have made that girl's messages their life's work. And you don't have to have a job dedicated to those ideals in order to practice them. In small ways, every day, what we do has a direct impact on those three goals this "idealistic" girl put forth.

If this was indeed 1987, this girl is now a woman in her 30s. I wonder what she is doing today. Upnorth is right. We have made some big changes in the last 30 years. It was people like that girl who helped it happen.

Full marks to her!
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#1452826 - 07/05/08 11:14 AM Re: The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes [Re: stfcatfish]
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If this was indeed 1987,


I for one didn't notice the date.

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This girl's messages are simple. Be responsible stewards of the earth. Care for each other. Share our wealth with those less fortunate than us.


And I believe in those principles, but we should all make our on decisions on whether or not we will and if we do, how we do it. If it doesn't come from the heart it is meaningless!

But what put me off to her message was the shame on you attitude it carried to those that have worked hard for what they have. Those emotional pleas that try to shame people into changing their ideas to theirs turn me away immediately. I don't like it when people try to manipulate me by playing my feelings. When they do they lose me at the beginning.
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#1452831 - 07/05/08 11:23 AM Re: The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes [Re: upnorth]
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Originally Posted By: upnorth
But what put me off to her message was the shame on you attitude it carried to those that have worked hard for what they have. Those emotional pleas that try to shame people into changing their ideas to theirs turn me away immediately. I don't like it when people try to manipulate me by playing my feelings. When they do they lose me at the beginning.


Ah, I understand. That position was absent from your first post (or I missed it), so thanks for clarifying.

It's always hard to be told we're not doing well enough, or that we are wrong. I generally don't like hearing that myself.
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#1452851 - 07/05/08 12:05 PM Re: The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes [Re: stfcatfish]
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#1452853 - 07/05/08 12:07 PM Re: The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes [Re: upnorth]
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Originally Posted By: upnorth
Originally Posted By: hayseed
Originally Posted By: upnorth
Ahh yes...to be young and idealistic!! It would be interesting to see her outlook on these thing 40 years from now.


I guess the same can be said to your response. Maybe in forty years, there will no longer be any doubt either way. I know I won't be here to say I told you so.


What I am getting at is that when I was 20 I was a lot more idealistic than I am now at 50. Perspective changes as a person gains more experience in life. You do not gain life experience by watching the news, reading a book or listening to someone else's opinion, you get it by living life for while keeping your eyes, ears and mind open.

It is very easy for someone who has yet to work to support herself, provide for her own family and children to talk about sharing wealth with those that have less than she sees others having. When she has to decide whether to donate money or pay her mortage, heat bill or buy food her ideals may change.

She also at this time probably fails to see that much of monies donated is sucked up in administrative costs and more often than not goes to line Fat Cats pockets in the countries and communities where it is suppose to help instead of the needy.

Climate, ozone etc, will continue to change no matter what we do, it has since the dawn of time. We may have an impact, but we have changed many things as far as pollution and wasted resources just in the last 30 years that many if not most people have just ignored. Not to mention that the earth will heal herself over time. When it comes to pollution we will never get back to the ideals of some until we are back to living in caves, these are the same fools that jet around the world preaching about pollution and waste, they should be looking to change themselves and their ways before they start preaching to the rest of us. I am sure she didn't get to this presentation on her bike.


I agree, very well said. I do think she had some valid points as well. It would be nice if all the countries could work together instead of bicker, but that won't happen because people in the US can't even see eye to eye and it's way out of control. I don't remember the high amount of disrespect and hatred that goes on now days when I was growing up. The thing about fish with cancer is dumb, but she was a kid. I think she did a good thing by getting up there though.
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#1452875 - 07/05/08 12:52 PM Re: The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes [Re: Sandmannd]
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I don't remember the high amount of disrespect and hatred that goes on now days when I was growing up.


I guess you just missed the sixties Sand grin
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