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#1404232 - 05/16/08 08:13 PM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: Iambjm]
H2O Milfoil Offline
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Registered: 05/22/05
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Loc: Minneapolis, MN
The practice of driving your boat onto the trailer is known as "power loading". This is a very destructive practice and is outlawed at many, many ramps. The problem is that excessive prop wash at the end of the concrete ramp dredges out a deep hole, causing an abrupt dropoff at the end of ramp and even the collapse of the concrete tiles at the end of the ramp. This makes launching and loading boats much more difficult and somebody...we, the taxpayers, or perhaps the private marina owner...has to pay to dredge fill back into the hole at the end of the ramp. The guys who power-load may not think *they* are doing much damage, but after fifty or more boats do this in a weekend, the damage can be significant. So I thank you for loading properly...using the winch strap the way it was intended. The marinas I use on the Great Lakes all have a "no power launch/no power load/motors must be off to launch and load" rule. It is no fun to get your trailer down the ramp and have it drop off the end and get hung up because of the yayhoos who power load. For those of us who launch and load by ourselves, it is always appreciated when someone offers to take the boat out to the end of the dock and tie it off, or to walk it over to the shore while we run the truck over to the parking lot. The other fishermen appreciate it too. And if you can help a solo fisherman launch or load his rig, everyone else benefits! So, again, thank you for doing it the right way!

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#1404253 - 05/16/08 08:39 PM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: Iambjm]
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To add to my previous post, here is a link to the Minnesota Boater's Education course:

http://www.boat-ed.com/mn/course/p2-4_trailering.htm
(if necessary, copy and paste into a new browser window)

Scroll down the page to the animation showing the damage.

DO NOT POWER LOAD!

BTW, when 2 or more people are working together, and the guy in the boat cruises gently into the trailer, letting the forward momentum bring the boat up onto the trailer so the other person can attach the winch strap...that isn't power loading. But when the boat slides back down off the trailer and the operator guns the engine awhile to propel it back up onto the trailer...well, that is power loading and is a no-no!

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#1404257 - 05/16/08 08:48 PM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: Neighbor_guy]
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I think its much safer craking it in . Some landings are shallow and you run the risk of hitting ground with lower unit, that be verry bad.
Load and unload at whatever's most comfortable.I think what your doing is just fine. From what Ive seen with roller you drive them on and sometimes they just roll back down.
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#1404262 - 05/16/08 08:51 PM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: croixflats]
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For me, it doesnt bother me if a person is slow putting in or taking out. Its when coman courtuosy is thrown out the window.
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#1404268 - 05/16/08 09:03 PM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: croixflats]
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Thanks guys, we had a surprise visit from 2 guys I know from the cities and the one has always been the "I know it all, and I am always right kinda guy" the other one didn't disagree and the hubby didn't argue with them but after they left he told me I was doing it right. I guess it is just nice to hear it from some more "Salty Old Dogs" that I am doing things right. I just couldn't imagine trying to motor on the trailer and then run to the front to clip it before it rolled off again. laugh
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#1404346 - 05/16/08 10:03 PM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: Iambjm]
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Barb:

With the low water levels last year, and at a lot of ramps this spring, I find it very useful to keep a pair of hip boots or waders in the boat or truck. That way you can wade out in the shallow water toward the end of the ramp to hook up your winch strap without getting wet. I've watched many guys (and done it myself) trying to balance on the tongue of the trailer while they tightwire their way out to hook the strap to the eye. You *will* slip and fall in, so you may as well put on the hip boots. There is also a device called a "Dr. Hook", sort of like a boat hook, that you put your winch strap hook in and use it to reach out and hook to the bow eye. But you are absolutely correct and the other guy was wrong.

It is a real pleasure to have an experienced partner, working as a team, to take care of the boat and the towing vehicle. It makes everyone in line appreciate the teamwork!

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#1404354 - 05/16/08 10:11 PM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: Iambjm]
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Barb:

Here's another response from me (dang, I'm all cranked up over this topic!)...

I asked one of my occasional fishing partners, at the launch ramp, if he wanted to take the truck up to the parking lot or if he wanted to take the boat out away from the dock and then come in for me when I got back there. He opted to drive the truck up to the lot. So I told him to be sure to get that trailer parked completely between the lines, if he was hanging over even 6 inches to pull through and go around and do it again. Nothing is more irritating than to find a parking slot is fouled up by some yayhoo's trailer hanging too far into it to allow another rig to park!


Edited by H2O Milfoil (05/16/08 10:40 PM)

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#1404377 - 05/16/08 10:30 PM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: H2O Milfoil]
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Now I know I'm all worked up on this topic! I'm going to reply to one of my own posts!

To the guys who use the docks at Clearwater Lake, Black Pool access, Annandale area: if you are sitting on the dock fishing, with your lawn chairs, tackle boxes, fishing rods laying all over the place, etc...get your stupid $%&@#$*&%$^! a$$e$ OFF THE DOCK when boats are launching and loading. It is a BOAT DOCK, not a fishing pier. Read the sign! We are moving fast with a lot of moving parts happening, with other rigs waiting to launch and load. We're not too proud to "stumble" over a tackle box (oops! my bad! look, some of them float and some don't!) and I'm the guy who didn't feel too badly when I heard the Rice Crispies sound of fishing rods on the dock (snap, crackle, pop) when I was scrambling to tie up. Oh, me so sorry! I hope my dock line didn't hurt you when it snaked in, head high, while I was pulling my boat around! I only wish I had a couple of your bobber rigs wrapped around my prop when I drove out...would have loved to see you chasing your rods up the road! IT IS A BOAT DOCK!

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#1404509 - 05/17/08 07:01 AM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: Iambjm]
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Barb, are you getting your boat on the trailer? If the answer is yes, then you are doing it right.

From the sounds of things you know what you're doing quite well. If you have a system, then follow your system. If others don't like your system then they can do their own thing.
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#1404575 - 05/17/08 09:23 AM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: croixflats]
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Loc: Hastings, MN
I think croix hit on the head, common courtesy is all. Not everone has the same ability, knowledge, or practice. Take some time to help a guy out at the launch and not just sit in his seat and grumble. But, you definetly see the common sense/ sommon courtesy thrown out the window way to much, from what looks like it wasn't their first rodeo, kind of irritating.

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#1404593 - 05/17/08 09:51 AM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: H2O Milfoil]
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H20-----I am glad to see that you are a calm and collected kinda guy. I wouldn't want to meet you in a dark alley (or dark boat launch) laugh
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#1404594 - 05/17/08 09:52 AM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: youngie22]
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Registered: 04/28/08
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Loc: Springfield-Stockton Lake
I'm kinda curious about something on this topic. Why doesn't the DNR make the ramps longer if this "power loading" thing is such a big issue? Here in Mo. I've never had a problem with loading or unloading. And I haven't seen anyone down here use a winch to load a boat. You'd be surprised to see 50-100 bassboats get loaded after a tournament in a very quick amount of time. It's almost like a fine swiss watch running. The way these reservoirs fluctuate you'd think we would really have problems.

I can see where you could get frustrated with ramp courtesy when you have 20 or 30 people winchin boats on their trailers.

One thing I'm glad I read about the no power loading thing on here. When I come up there for my fishing trip next week I'll make sure I don't load my boat with the big motor. Had no idea you couldn't load a boat that way. Guess things have really changed since I lived there 20 years ago.

Ya'll take care and see you next weekend!!

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#1404635 - 05/17/08 11:12 AM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: 1900_LE]
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When I'm loading, I try to back my trailer in as close to the dock as possible. That way it is much easier to pull the winch strap over to the bow eye, hook it, then go up to the truck and crank it on. The whole process of connecting and cranking takes maybe a minute or so (I'm talking about loading by myself here). Of course, you've got to be able to back your trailer efficiently and accurately. By myself, the biggest delay from when I tie up (on the far side of the dock, away from the ramp) is walking up to get the truck. Once the trailer is in the water, it takes a minute or two to pull the boat around to the ramp side. One person can be out of the ramp area in less than 5 minutes. 2 people make that job much faster, which is why it's always nice to help the person loading or launching by himself. Most of the dumb stuff we see happens right away in the spring, before we have re-learned how to do it right!

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#1405061 - 05/18/08 01:02 AM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: H2O Milfoil]
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H20 I dont think you should come to the ramp expecting someone to help you especially if you think that it is YOUR DOCK relax man mabey that guy whos fishing from the dock can help you its not a perfect world so relax slow down. Whats the big deal I cant really think of the words to reply to your posts. Its a lake access some of the money comes from taxes some of it from lottery and other funds but alot of those docks (BOAT DOCKS FISHING PIERS) are donated by Muskies Inc Walleyes Inc and other clubs and lake associations So Ill say again SLOW DOWN TAKE A BREATH APPRECIATE!!!!!!!!
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#1405091 - 05/18/08 06:24 AM Re: Ramp Tips [Re: H2O Milfoil]
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Launching and landing alone is tough. When landing, if people are around and I can, I'll beach my boat and go get my truck. If I can't beach it I tie it to the dock and go get the truck. When landing, I get it in the water, tie to the dock, and go park the truck. If there are others there I let them go ahead of me as I don't want to slow down the process. Besides, what's the hurry?

The big thing we can't forget is to be nice to each other. Heck, we're going fishing for cripes sake. This is Minnesota and we are supposed to be decent to each other. You're gonna spend the day on teh lake enjoying the great outdoors. Don't ruin your day, and others day, by being an ishy crab at the landing.
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