Lip Ripper - Please post back as to your results. I would like to know if this stuff really works and if it damages anything else.

Thanks,

The links I found for Certainty does show it is only for KBG lawns (not for fescue or perennial rye). My grass is a mixure of rye, fescue, and KBG (with quack coming over from the neighbors - so it is really the traditional mix).

Based on what my lawn guy told me Certainty will kill your grass UNLESS it's KBG. Most lawns are rye or fescue. I'll try the hockey stick approach tonight. Good way to spend a Friday night.

I tried painting some quack with a foam brush last night. A lot of work. I think it will be an on-going battle. Stay after it, fertilize, mow high, etc... Between the voles and the quack... my lawn still is in good shape. (Just hits the pride a little bit.)