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#1397378 - 05/11/08 08:58 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: tacklejunkie]
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The 9/11 comision report is not a bible. It is a colaberation of compromises, and should not be taken as end all. Many facts have come out that controdict their findings after it was published. To use it as a tool to support your argument is flawed.
NO, I will not give you exampeles. Know one wants to accept anything that goes against there opinion. All they do is side step it and find other facts to support there own. On both sides, so whats the use.
I have not said what my veiws are but only to point out how dumb it is to support your argument with few scources.
To argue and call each other names is unproductive.
If your truely honest with yourself you would see both sides are wrong with some of their claims. If you cant see that well whats the point of arguing because you are not going to change the other persons mind.
AND YOUR OPINION IS NOT SUPIRIOR WETHER IT BE ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.
I'm so sick of people jamming there opinions down my throat because they think they have the right facts. Well Its all opinions supported by someone els's opinion
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#1397379 - 05/11/08 08:58 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: imhooked]
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Originally Posted By: imhooked
If his opponents want to grant these same rights to the detainees at Guantanamo Bay, why can't they afford a sitting U. S. President the same courtesy??


rofl. this line is my favorite
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#1397381 - 05/11/08 09:01 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: croixflats]
tacklejunkie Offline
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Originally Posted By: croixflats
The 9/11 comision report is not a bible. It is a colaberation of compromises, and should not be taken as end all. Many facts have come out that controdict their findings after it was published. To use it as a tool to support your argument is flawed.
NO, I will not give you exampeles. Know one wants to accept anything that goes against there opinion. All they do is side step it and find other facts to support there own. On both sides, so whats the use.
I have not said what my veiws are but only to point out how dumb it is to support your argument with few scources.
To argue and call each other names is unproductive.
If your truely honest with yourself you would see both sides are wrong with some of their claims. If you cant see that well whats the point of arguing because you are not going to change the other persons mind.
AND YOUR OPINION IS NOT SUPIRIOR WETHER IT BE ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.
I'm so sick of people jamming there opinions down my throat because they think they have the right facts. Well Its all opinions supported by someone els's opinion


i dont remeber posting that the 9/11 report was infallible. i later have read it had its flaws. i am just saying that i have read it, the report itself and what imhooked said about it appears true. the other things he posted i have not read so i dont comment.
whats your problem?? or did you address me.

i will agree with him though that i wont throw a prez overboard based on books or newspaper articles regardless who wrote them


Edited by tacklejunkie (05/11/08 09:12 PM)
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#1397384 - 05/11/08 09:03 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: croixflats]
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And yes it is Bushes fault I used poison oak for toilet paper.
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#1397391 - 05/11/08 09:08 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: croixflats]
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I was not attacking you or anyone specific
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#1397398 - 05/11/08 09:12 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: croixflats]
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That was just one example of how someone uses a piece of infomation to further his point of view. And it shows how anyone cand find info to support their own position. And these these are based on other peoples opinion
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#1397405 - 05/11/08 09:15 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: croixflats]
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Originally Posted By: croixflats
That was just one example of how someone uses a piece of infomation to further his point of view. And it shows how anyone cand find info to support their own position. And these these are based on other peoples opinion


true. but as i read i see the point that i would rather be investigated by people who are supposed to be more professional than to be judged by a book or article written about me. and if the other reports he mentioned are true and they do exist, i will put more stock in those than books, websites or articles in newsprint. not that those reports would be perfect. cmon, its from politicians and the elected class for gods sake. but i would have to weigh which one carries more weight, the bipartisan committee investigations mentioned or the books and articles mentioned. not that either cant be full of bull. but as weight goes i would have to go with the committees over the books

kind of like if someone were arrested for murder. whould you like to have their guilt or innocence investigated by cops and detectives or a journalist. lets say the cops investigated the murder and found no evidence of guilt but the journalist claims you were guilty, which would you put more stock in.


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#1397422 - 05/11/08 09:29 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: tacklejunkie]
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My point was not what source is better the point was anyone can find a scource to support there opinion it is futile to try to diprove them they just find another scource to back them up.Each side is set in there ways and will not waver
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#1397434 - 05/11/08 09:37 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: upnorth]
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Wow, I am amazed at the hostility here. I will admit I don't like Bush, I do not agree with the war in Iraq, I want to know why we haven't captured Osama yet. But it is very hard to say that if Bush hadn't gotten in and 9/11 hadn't happened that we would not still be in the same position we are. We can't specifically say that a Democratic President would have made all the right decisions, many haven't. This is very much like the Global warming discussion, the beauty of living in this country is that we all have the right to believe in what we want. And we should realize that we don't all believe the same things. If we all did it would be a very boring world.
With that said, beans give me gas and Bushes is to blame
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#1397439 - 05/11/08 09:39 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: Iambjm]
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Originally Posted By: Iambjm
With that said, beans give me gas and Bushes is to blame


Or you could just let a fart and go on with life. Remember, who ever denies it supplies it.
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#1397440 - 05/11/08 09:41 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: croixflats]
tacklejunkie Offline
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Loc: North
Originally Posted By: croixflats
My point was not what source is better the point was anyone can find a scource to support there opinion it is futile to try to diprove them they just find another scource to back them up.Each side is set in there ways and will not waver


yeah i see your point. enough [PoorWordUsage] to go around i am going to try to read the other reports he mentioned.
anybody can write a book about anybody and declare it fact
if what he is saying is true, that those mentioned reports exist and they say what he claims, even if it is not perfect and flawed, it will tell me more about the democrats that bush. Iknow who charles robb is but i never heard of silberman. robb was a democrat. so we'll see.
i have been told by reelemin to get educated several times. not that it gets to me but she got into a fight with someone who seemed very well informed and educated and it seemed to throw her off a bit. for all i know, maybe he has a loved one in iraq. and you should be careful what you say about iraq to people who have family there. I will withold comment till i read those reports myself. maybe i will order them and read them while fishing..yeah right
i do agree also that you dont vote go to war without reading the full intelligent report but that argument has long passed.




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#1397455 - 05/11/08 09:51 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: tacklejunkie]
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I had to take a "George W. Bush" today while out fishing. Good thing I had TP with me in the boat.
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#1397459 - 05/11/08 09:54 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: SledNeck]
tacklejunkie Offline
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Registered: 09/29/07
Posts: 750
Loc: North
Originally Posted By: SledNeck
I had to take a "George W. Bush" today while out fishing. Good thing I had TP with me in the boat.


Oh, i get it. rofl. i thought you said you took GWB fishing in your boat and your glad you had tp
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#1397487 - 05/11/08 10:13 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: tacklejunkie]
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you ain't worth it, man - LOl LOl LOL


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#1397556 - 05/11/08 10:39 PM Re: It's ALL George Bush's Fault!! [Re: imhooked]
tacklejunkie Offline
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Registered: 09/29/07
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Loc: North
Originally Posted By: imhooked
Were these results of a bi partisan investigation??
An article from The UK Guardian is not a bi partisan investigation
I am still asking for that bipartisan investigation. Not a book or an article. You only provided books and newspaper articles.
Along with name calling and snide remarks.
Neither add to your argument, by the way
It is obvious you're getting flustered.
Plus, it appears your attempt to discredit me actually makes my point.
At about the sixth paragraph down.
Now, as I have said before, read the ACTUAL reports. Do not read someone's opinion on them.
Nor a book or article about the reports.

For someone who has no difficulty telling others who disagree with them to "get educated" and to "open their minds," you seem to have difficulty doing both yourself.

I am not saying the bipartisan investigations were flawless.
Nor am I saying the threat Saddam may or may not have posed was possibly a little overstated.
Nor am I saying that there were not a host of intelligence failures.
I am saying that no bipartisan investigation has proven the intelligence was manipulated by President Bush, an impeachable offense.

And I will not ask for impeachment of a president based on books and newspaper articles.

And in my book, along with the U.S. Constitution, as an American citizen he is entitled to an assumption of innocence until such day an investigation proves him guilty, if ever.

If his opponents want to grant these same rights to the detainees at Guantanamo Bay, why can't they afford a sitting U. S. President the same courtesy??

What I find confusing, reelemin, is your side of the political spectrum considers Bush the dumbest animal on two feet and yet he was somehow able to fool the world's intelligence community, a former U.S. President, along with the House and Senate, to go along with his manipulation.
Most confusing,indeed.

So, I will use your logic and declare Hillary Clinton as unfit for office as I read in a book and a web site that she was involved in the death of Vince Foster.
I know it to be true, even though investigations have not proven such a thing, because a book and an article said it was.

Anyways, this back and forth is getting repetitive and I have papers to grade.



ok tell me if i am wrong. it doesnt sound like youre totally dismissing the books. its just your deciding which carries more weight. We would be more likely to use what congressional investigations were to find for impeachment purposes as opposed to what a book says. we wouldnt impeach bush over wmds because of what a book by richard clark says but what a congressional investigation finds. Am i right??
by the way i like what you have written, you got that passive aggressive style. i didnt vote for bush, or gore or kerry for that matter but it does get very tiring to hear bush being referred to as the lying bushchimphitler all the time. and it was the same with clinton also.
and as a side, thank you for your military service


Edited by tacklejunkie (05/11/08 10:47 PM)
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