correct me if im wrong but the last presidental election the dems had gore, not. either way how can we afford another republican for four more years!

if you read what i typed, i said he SURROUNDS himself with america bashers, up to and including his spouse. its not a simple guilt by association. people dont elect presidents like that. PERIOD!! i dont care how bad bush has been. Both carter and clinton ran on a moderate, try to appeal to middle america, campaign. Carter ran in 1976 on his faith and simple, southern values. i remember that election. No doubt the dems will try to tie bush around Mccain. and it would be more effective if they had better candidates running for prez. I can bitch all day about bush, iraq, gas prices, ect ect. that doesnt make people want to vote for me. the northeast and west coast is not enough to get to the WH. and Obama is unelectable in middle America. his opinion about the values of small town america , his pastor's, who he said was his mentor and was a spiritual advisor, his wife's, his association will Bill Ayers for a guy who is an unknown will not sell in Peoria. dont blame Rush for whats going on with the Obama mess. thats what is lazy
this cycle, i may vote for McCain if for the only reason i dont want to see one party running it all. and the dems are going to keep the senate and congress.

I don't like a lot of things that have been done in the past several years, & I've bashed a lot of them. Doesn't make me an America hater either, but an ardent critic of the current admin. It's the difference between using your head to discern whether the person hates this country (which very, very obviously Obama doesn't as it gave him all these wonderful opportunities) or despises some of the things that have been done during the history of the U.S. And if you can't think of some vile things the U.S. has done, well, you're not thinking hard enough.

Speaking ill of U.S. policy does not equal hating America. Really, it's a simple distinction if you regard it in a non-partisan way.

"God [PoorWordUsage] America, America's chickens have come home to roost(9/11), U S of KKK, first time i have ever been proud of my country in my adult life, we are a downright mean country, Americans in small towns hold on to their guns and faith because they are bitter, we didnt do enough(Bill Ayers as it relates to his groups bombings)". these are things that all those who obama surrounds himself have said. these arent simply, "we shouldn't belong in iraq" statements. these are very anti american statements and even the most political blind person can reconize them as such. you need to quit [PoorWordUsage] on my leg and tell me its raining.
statements like yours is what separates the leftists from the rest of the country. Most americans dont see their country in the same way those like you do. that does not mean we are perfect or everything we have done has been good. we just dont believe that we deserve the comments that obama's supporters hurl at us. or is that not thinking hard enough for you??
Unlike you, I like to dwell on what's good about the country as i feel, along with the majority of this country, that the good far outweigh the bad
remember, obamas running for president of the US. not for some university were those things would sell

As usual, your arguments have risen to this level. Thanks.

hey max, i saw a past post were you harrassed a father who had a son either in iraq or was going. you called him a Bush loyalist. when i read that, that told me all i needed to know about you. so your blind support of obama does not suprise me. Plus most leftists do not like the country. im not talking about liberals. i mean leftists who all they do is find fault with this country.the ward churchills, micheal moores, rev. wrights, michelle obamas, sean penns, ect ect. we americans dont want to hear that all day. and it will cost obama the WH. mark my words. against Mccain??????

Don't forget Tony Rezko.
McCain's trump card ??

tackle, one of my best friends is overseas right now; you know nothing about what I believe. As usual, you are full of assumptions & rudeness. Thankfully there are few of you in the Fishing MN family.

And you resort to personal attacks, per your normal SOP. Good luck with that.

im not the one max who called a father with a son in the service a Bush loyalist. feeling a bit guilty now are we???
and then when we are called on it, we cry, "personal attack." boo hoo.

Nope. Do you have anything productive to add to the discussion? It was actually fairly interesting until this point.

again. i dont care for people who harrass service men and women or their parents. you got caught. now you're on the defensive. and i, along with most people, do not want to hear our country bashed 24/7.

I'm on the defensive because there aren't supposed to be personal attacks on these boards. I'd love to give you a dose of your own medicine - it wouldn't be hard based on your limited vocabulary & obvious reliance on talk radio & rightnut.com - but I'm attempting to stay within the spirit of the rules.

And gee, you don't like me? That hurts my feelings. Someone hand me a tissue...

notice how you got defensive when i used the word leftists. why cant you guys just admit who you are for God's sake?? i knew it wouldnt take you long to go to the old standard; talk radio, rightnut, republican, lines. you're slacking, max. it wasnt even in your first post. it took several posts.
i simply pointed out that obama seems to surround himself with people who hate the country. you resorted to the RUSH thinking line.
and your crazy if you dont think everything Wright has said, his association with Ayers, his comments about middle americans, his wife's comments, the endorsement of hamas, the fact that he is unknown, plus his beliefs are not going to raise the eye of average joe voter. and if you have a problem, you need to take it up with Barak Obama. I simply pointed these facts out. they are what they are. i am simply pointing out that despite how people feel about bush, iraq, ect, they dont want to hear the country or the president bashed all the time, and they will not hand the keys to the WH to such a candidate.

This I will agree with you on. I get sick of people's lack of respect for service men and women and above that the office of the president of the USA. You don't have to like him, I don't know may that do. I don't remember ever liking a pres all the way, but I will always have respect for the office. Even if wrinkleface gets in.

there was no way i was going to vote for bill clinton, GWB, gore, or kerry. but that does not mean i want to hear them bashed, along with the country, all the time. with all its faults, i thank God i live in this country. it is not a form of patriotism to see your country as the fault of all our worlds ills. i dont care how they try to spin it. nor is it proper to agree with everything your government does or your country without question. thats blindness.
ah [PoorWordUsage], in the end its only politics.