Plenty of room for blame for the Congress and the Pres.

I will say this though, I do believe that Bush has surrounded himself with some questionable caracters and some of his policies are without a doubt questionable at best.

That gets my vote.

You can't blame that one on Bush...somebody gave out your favorite honey spot on one of the forums..You know one of the anonymous that just read these post and steal all the information....

Bush's legacy down the road could be one of a very poor President at best.

During his terms as President, the U.S. is now further in debt than ever before. The national debt in the past 8 years has been run up more than all the other Presidents combined to date. now, that is a real legacy to leave.

Please; go to an encyclopedia. Heck, there's all sorts of free ones on the internet. Look up the word Fascist. It is very diffficult to use Industrial "billionaire" and "Fascist" in the same sentence.

GWB is a lot of things. Dumb. A panderer to the greatest voting blocks he can get his mitts on (please reference the illegal alien issue). A zealot, crusader, etc, etc, etc. But he is NOT a fascist. That is a sexy, knee-jerk-bait reactionary term that the left LOVES to use to make someone look bad (or in Georges case, worse than he already does).
One needs to understand the past, to understand the present.

No he is not a facist but he is taking points from known facist.Where do you think The national idee came from.

Harvey Lee has my vote!

This subject matter can turn ugly real quick.
I wish I would have kept my mouth shut.
So, I apologize for my opinion. The subject matter has nothing to do with fun and the outdoors.

He isn't the best we have had, certainly not the worst. In my lifetime Jimmy Carter has got to be the worst. Congress has a 48% share of the blame. The one thing I will give GW credit for, is he hs not led our country according to opinion polls. Sometimes if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything.
Yes, he decided to go to war with Iraq, but at the time with the intelligence available, it was the right decision, even the likes of John Kerry and Billary Clinton supported the decision to go to war. How convienient it is to sit back and point the finger now though.

more gov growth under GWB since LBJ. record number of illegal immigrants which we all have to pay for. While i wouldnt say he was the worst,carter gets that honor, although i think carter got alot of underserved blame to a point, he is close.
as for the war in iraq, he gets half the blame. dont forget it was a dem senate that eagerly and happily approved. and dont tell me they were lied to since most of them admitted to not reading the intel reports but instead relied on polls and officials from the clinton admin to base their decision.
now the dems are taking off with out of control spending and corruption were the repubs left off. and their approval ratings are in the flusher, also. and what can be said about the 3 clowns running this year.

Wade

I will agree with what you stated in the beginning of the war. Here is where it gets diffucult for all, sooner or later there needs to be as plan to remove ourselves from this and let the Iraq people stand on there own two feet and also foot the financial cost for this as yes, they do have plenty of funds from their oil sales.

i agree also. it's gotta get near the time for them to start taking over their own country. I read that their oil revenues are in the trillions. if that is true, then we better start sending them a bill. i dont want the US to fail, but i dont want to be played for a sucker, either. maybe im being impatient, but they have the bucks and they need to start taking over sooner than later

tacklejunkie - what Upnorth said is correct. The Prez DOES controll the mood of the country AND Congress!! His pressure and anticts are hard to get past. Esecially this Prez if you don't side with him, well, he'll have ya fired or any number of other discrediting things. He's done this dozen of times. And yes, he VERY much has a hand in the economy and EVERYTHING else. He may not intentional do something to hurt the economy or country, but his ignorance, stupidy, and ARRAGANCE surely has !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES they where LIED too but more importantly THE TRUTH was withheld - !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reelemin, I have had the "pleasure" of reading your postings on several issues.
You really do not know as much as you claim.
Putting a lot of exclaimation points after your statements does not make them true.
Nor is posting nothing more than "Daily Kos" postings make you informed
Fact is, practically all of the senators who voted at that time admitted eventually that they did not read the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's WMDs
I find that irresponsible, don't you??
Or are you so enamored with the Democratic Party that in your view they are infallible?
That's not healthy.
I, in fact, do remember them all going on every talk show and news program they could to show their support for Bush's little adventure.
Mrs. Clinton stated on "Meet the Press" at that time that she even checked with former Clinton Administration officials and they assured her the intelligence was accurate.
So, if you don't read the ninety page National Intelligence Estimate, which also contained 10-12 pages of dissenting views, page to page, how can you be lied to?
And that estimate was the one available to both chambers to get support for military action against Iraq.
If I am given a contract, is it not my responsibility to read it all before signing?? Not to rely on other people to tell me what it says?
Do I have the right to claim I was fooled if a term comes up that I don't like but it was in the contract I signed that I did not read??
What they are doing now is trying to explain away their vote to people such as yourself.
And from your post, it appears to be working.
Double the responsibility when it involves issues of war and peace.
The only one who read all the report, or at least claims he did, was Senator Biden.
He also acknowledged that the report had dissenting views but voted for the resolution as, "a way to keep the pressure on Saddam."
Please, get more informed before posting.
I invite you to go look up everything I have posted and then come back and tell me I'm wrong.
While you are at it, a lesson in Civics and Government, perhaps, may benefit you.
And your claim about Bush going after those who dissent in his administration is true.
I just hope you don't claim Clinton didn't do the same. No more or less than President Bush.
You are overly enamored with the DNC.
Most of us see both parties as the problem, not the solutions.
It appears that you also believe the Democratic controlled House and Senate share no responsibility for all this mess.
Good thing the American people see otherwise, as reflected in public opinion polls.
Americans are as sick of your party as they are of the president.
And it pains me to say this as I voted for President Bush. Not only once, but twice.
My company commander, after Gulf War One, predicted that someday the United States will be back.
His reasoning was that Saddam will never dump his WMD program, as he was ordered to do by UN Resolutions.

Now, I suspect that you will reply with nothing more than great anger. And that is ok. You are entitled to that. But, as I stated earlier, go check out everything I have posted for yourself. You may not like what you find out, it may violate all your previous held beliefs. You may choose to simply dismiss it all. That is your right. I can only present the facts. I cannot force you to believe them.